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All of the above are tame. Tell me when your able to walk through Milbrook (Mott Haven), Soundview (Soundview), Edenwald ( Wakefield), Brownsville (Brownsville), Pink (East NY), or 40's (South Jamaica).
I repeat. No other city has 400+ projects. If they did, there would be some tame ones. For NYC to have it's 400+ projects being bad, then a LARGE portion of NYC's population would have to be criminals. EVERYBODY in the projects would have to be young black or Hispanic males. How does that sound?
LA in particular would have many safe projects. It has a low African American population so adding more projects would mean other groups like Chinese (who have lower incarceration rates) would start calling the projects home.
Wow at your blatant grouping of black and hispanic males as criminals. If you think they're the only criminals in American projects then you haven't been to California...
And recall where I said:
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NYC does have some outright terrible projects, but it also has some relatively okay ones... in most other places, public housing is by definition the ghetto.
I didn't say that all - or even most - of NYC projects were tame, I said that in other places there are no tame projects.
I've walked next, though not into, a very long stretch of projects in Bed-Stuy (almost a half mile long — I think they were Marcy). Didn't feel unsafe, though inside the projects might be different.
I think Cabrini-Green in Chicago were in a gentrified neighborhood but they were really unsafe.
For what it's worth, on another thread long ago, someone found the number murders in NYC housing projects. It was either 16 or 18 per 100,000. High, but lower than DC and Philadelphia overall.
Can you direct me to that? I wasn't able to calculate because I do not know how many people live in NYCHA.
Also, passing by and passing through are very different. All the dirt that is committed in the projects are inside. NYC projects are designed in a way that outsiders wouldn't know what is happening inside. If your in some kind of trouble inside the projects, you're pretty much screwed. The projects aren't "open" like in other neighborhoods. If you're from NYC, you'd know what I mean.
Wow at your blatant grouping of black and hispanic males as criminals. If you think they're the only criminals in American projects then you haven't been to California...
And recall where I said:
I didn't say that all - or even most - of NYC projects were tame, I said that in other places there are no tame projects.
No but blacks and Hispanics do commit more crimes. They have the highest incarceration rates in the country.
I find it hard to believe that every project in LA is no go, get killed on site type of project.
No but blacks and Hispanics do commit more crimes. They have the highest incarceration rates in the country.
I find it hard to believe that every project in LA is no go, get killed on site type of project.
In California, the projects are always in poor neighborhoods, i.e. they wouldn't be in a gentrified neighborhood. You don't walk into these projects by accident. If you're dumb enough to be walking in them without an obvious purpose (repair man, cable guy, etc.) and you're not with anybody from there, you will be considered a threat. There's people in these projects who literally sit there all day and night seeing who's coming in and out of the projects... if you don't look familiar, something will happen to you.
Can you direct me to that? I wasn't able to calculate because I do not know how many people live in NYCHA.
Also, passing by and passing through are very different. All the dirt that is committed in the projects are inside. NYC projects are designed in a way that outsiders wouldn't know what is happening inside. If your in some kind of trouble inside the projects, you're pretty much screwed. The projects aren't "open" like in other neighborhoods. If you're from NYC, you'd know what I mean.
Yea, I know there's a difference between passing by and passing through. But I've heard that in some cities (Chicago) passing by projects is a bad idea. I haven't seen any non-NYC projects though.
I've passed through a project before (Fredrick Douglass). Depends on the location and how bad it is, but if there enough people around it doesn't feel too bad.
Yea, I know passing by and passing through. But I've heard that in some cities (Chicago) passing by projects is a bad idea. I haven't seen any non-NYC projects though.
I've passed through a project before (Fredrick Douglass). Depends on the location and how bad it is, but if there enough people around it doesn't feel too bad.
This. The projects in cities like Chicago, LA, etc. are places that you don't want to be walking in the vicinity of.
In California, the projects are always in poor neighborhoods, i.e. they wouldn't be in a gentrified neighborhood. You don't walk into these projects by accident. If you're dumb enough to be walking in them without an obvious purpose (repair man, cable guy, etc.) and you're not with anybody from there, you will be considered a threat. There's people in these projects who literally sit there all day and night seeing who's coming in and out of the projects... if you don't look familiar, something will happen to you.
Fair enough. NYC has projects everywhere. You even have some in Mid-town Manhattan. I just wanted to make clear that if you move to a NYC project from LA, New Orleans, or Philadelphia, it is not necessarily a step up. The very worst of NYC could hang with any project. However, not all of NYC projects are dangerous, because many are in nice areas.
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Yea, I know there's a difference between passing by and passing through. But I've heard that in some cities (Chicago) passing by projects is a bad idea. I haven't seen any non-NYC projects though.
I've passed through a project before (Fredrick Douglass). Depends on the location and how bad it is, but if there enough people around it doesn't feel too bad.
The murder rate is higher than I thought. It is more than 3 times the city's rate. For comparison, had they the same rate, New Orleans projects murder rate would be 180 per 100,000.
If you take just Brooklyn and the Bronx, the murder rate would be closer to 30.
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This. The projects in cities like Chicago, LA, etc. are places that you don't want to be walking in the vicinity of.
In many NYC projects, there are police towers right across the street. Some even have their own precincts. Therefore, it would be ok to walk outside of them.
Growing up in Alton, IL and driving the metro area extensively along with living and visiting countless cities in the U.S. I would fully and completely agree that East St Louis is the most dangerous place in this county I've ever been to.
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I've spent plenty of time in East St Louis, and to be honest, I felt much much more in danger when I was in Memphis.
Parts of the East Side of Cleveland and the city of East Cleveland were a bit uncomfortable for me to walk around in at night considering I am white and was about 19 at the time. Got a lot of funny looks, but nobody messed with me or anything. It was more of just a feeling like I was out of my comfort zone. I firmly believe that just because an area is poor doesn't mean it has bad people.
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