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Old 12-20-2011, 12:13 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, OH
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IMO, Cleveland tends to embrace the term "rust belt." For residents it creates almost a chip on the shoulder and character. I mean, this place has a favorite beer named the "Burning River Pale Ale" brewed by the Great Lakes Brewing Company honoring an infamous industrial history!

I want to post something about a neighborhood in Cleveland right now...although Cleveland IMO embraces the rust belt label (especially the locals), the irony is that Cleveland is doing wonders to reinvent itself right now. Umemployment rate is 7.1%. Major ticket projects Downtown such as the Aquarium (opening Jan 2012), the Casino (opening Mar 2012). Medical Mart (partnering with Cleveland Clinic), Convention Center, 3 new hotels...will all be opening in rapid fire. Downtown residential units are 95% full, Downtown residential population is up 96% since 1990.

For an eye-opening example, visit the neighborhood of University Circle in Cleveland. This neighborhood, in the Rust Belt, is undergoing $2 billion in new construction. A neighborhood where 5000 jobs have been added since 2005 and saw a population increase of 11% since the last census. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/30/realestate/commercial/cleveland-ignites-job-growth-with-rebuilding-project.html?_r=1&sq=Cleveland&st=cse&adxnnl=1&scp =1&adxnnlx=1324365367-j7Qj6DjGF4+fdET3PYmRpg

Shiny new buildings ARE lining the streets and in the Rust Belt...this neighborhood is less than 1 sq. mi. on the city of Cleveland's east side. Here's the $$$ breakdown being pumped into this place:

UNIVERSITY CIRCLE, CLEVELAND

Under Construction (TOTAL $1.036 Billion):
Museum of Contemporary Art -- $27 million MOCA Cleveland board approves building new home in University Circle's Uptown development | cleveland.com
Uptown Phase I Apartments and Retail -- $44.5 million Developer MRN Ltd. to break ground Monday on Uptown project in University Circle | cleveland.com
WXZ Hazel 8 Apartments -- $10.5 million Councilman clears path for University Circle apartment project | cleveland.com
VA Medical Center Expansion -- $526 million http://www.crainscleveland.com/artic...FREE/100609883
Cleveland Clinic Reference Laboratory -- $75 million Cleveland Clinic breaks ground for $75M reference laboratory
Cleveland Museum of Art Expansion and Renovation -- $258 million
Taking a hardhat tour of the Cleveland Museum of Art's expansion project - Cleveland Entertainment Top Story from The Plain Dealer - Cleveland.com
University Circle Courtyard Marriott Hotel -- $27 million Developers lined up to build 150-room hotel in University Circle | cleveland.com
Cleveland Institute of Art Expansion -- $65 million Cleveland Institute of Art will break ground in May on Uptown expansion | cleveland.com
Cozad-Bates House Restoration (circa 1853) -- $1-3 million http://universitycircle.org/annual2010/2010-UCI-AR.pdf (broken link)


Planning Stages ($439.7 Million):
Advanced Energy Facility: -- $270 million http://development.cuyahogacounty.us...RFNotice_1.pdf
Cedar-University Circle Rapid Train Station redesign -- $12.5+ million University Circle rapid station reconstruction project receives an additional $2 million in federal funding | cleveland.com
Mayfield Rd-E.119 Rapid Train Station -- $17.5 million RTA wins $12.5 million grant for new rapid station at Mayfield and East 119th | cleveland.com
Case Western Reserve Student Center -- $50 million Architect Ralph Johnson's new Tinkham Veale University Center at CWRU will bring 21st-century flair to University Circle | cleveland.com
Cleveland School of the Arts -- $30 million http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us.../image/CSA.pdf
Pedestrian Bridge (University Circle) -- $7.5 million A trio of pedestrian bridges proposed by Boston architect Miguel Rosales could change the face of Cleveland | cleveland.com
Western Reserve Historical Society Crawford Auto Museum renovations (University Circle) -- $2.8 million Western Reserve Historical Society marks turnaround with updates | cleveland.com
Western Reserve Historical Society Euclid Beach Carousel installation and restoration -- $2 million The Euclid Beach carousel: Whatever happened to ...? | cleveland.com
Temple-Tifereth Israel Renovations into CWRU Performing Arts Center -- $25.6 million Maltz Family Foundation donates $12 million to CWRU to let school, synagogue share Temple-Tifereth Israel | cleveland.com
Uptown/MOCA Plaza -- $1 million Uptown plaza design wins conceptual approval from Euclid Corridor Design Review Committee | cleveland.com
Abington Arms Apartments "Green Retrofit" -- $2.6 million HUDNo.2010-10-05/U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD)
Case Western Reserve University ThinkBox -- $10 million http://intecsky.files.wordpress.com/...l-083010-1.pdf
African American Cultural Garden in Rockefeller Park -- $2 million Plans for African American Cultural Garden unveiled at Cleveland City Hall
New Circle Vistas -- $6 million Maximum Accessible Housing of Ohio - NCVSite


Recently Completed ($1.226 Billion):
27 Coltman Little Italy Townhomes -- $11 million COMPLETED 2011 Luxury townhouses in Cleveland's Little Italy are selling, but court fight looms | cleveland.com
WXZ Circle 118 University Circle Townhomes -- $8 million COMPLETED 2011 Circle 118 townhouses by WXZ Development add life to University Circle in Cleveland | cleveland.com
Tudor Arms (Circa 1931) Restoration into Double Tree Hotel -- $22 million COMPLETED 2011 Tudor Arms renovation is bringing a highly visible piece of old Cleveland back to life | cleveland.com
University Hospitals Seidman (Ireland) Cancer Center -- $250 million COMPLETED 2011 New University Hospitals cancer hospital looks good in preview tour: Vital Signs | cleveland.com
University Hospitals Parking Garage -- $30 million COMPLETED 2011 http://media.cleveland.com/pdgraphic...5e3d84a04c.jpg
University Hospitals Center for Emergency Medicine -- $41 million COMPLETED 2011 http://media.cleveland.com/pdgraphic...5e3d84a04c.jpg
Hawken High School renovations and extension campus -- $6.6 million COMPLETED 2011 Hawken School to open new learning center in University Circle | cleveland.com
Cleveland Natural History Museum SmartHouse -- $500K COMPLETED 2011 Cleveland Museum of Natural History to debut its PNC SmartHome Cleveland on Monday | cleveland.com
Case Western Reserve Wind Turbine -- $6 million COMPLETED 2010 http://www.cwruobserver.com/home/news/2010/12/03/News/Nations.First.ResearchOriented.Wind.Turbine.Constr ucted.Near.Veale-3964332.shtml (http://www.cwruobserver.com/home/news/2010/12/03/News/Nations.First.ResearchOriented.Wind.Turbine.Constr - broken link)
Commodore Place Renovations -- $9 million COMPLETED 2010 http://www.universitycircle.org/uci.aspx?page=87 (broken link)
University Hospital QEA Neonatal Intensive Care Unit -- $27 million COMPLETED 2009 http://media.cleveland.com/pdgraphic...5e3d84a04c.jpg
University Circle East Plaza -- $400K COMPLETED 2009 http://www.cmgsite.com/projects/all/...-circle-plaza/ (http://www.cmgsite.com/projects/all/university-circle-plaza/ - broken link)
Cleveland Hearing and Speech Center -- $11.3 million COMPLETED 2009 Cleveland Hearing & Speech Center designed by Bostwick Design Partnership is a plus for University Circle | cleveland.com
Cleveland Clinic Heart Center -- $500 million COMPLETED 2008 http://my.clevelandclinic.org/heart/newheartcenter.aspx (broken link)
Park Lane Villa Apartments Renovations (circa 1920) -- $21 million COMPLETED 2008 Park Lane Villa - Welcome
Euclid Corridor Bus-Rapid Transit Line connecting Downtown to University Circle -- $197 million COMPLETED 2008 Cleveland's Euclid corridor project has paved the way to economic development | cleveland.com
Montessori High School renovations and creation -- $6 million COMPLETED 2008 New high school in University Circle combines Montessori education with the International Baccalaureate program | cleveland.com
Case Western Reserve Alumni House -- $2.5 million COMPLETED 2007 Case Western Reserve University | News Center
John Hay High School (circa 1929) restorations -- $37 million COMPLETED 2007 John Hay Campus schools live up to expectations, get excellent' rating from state - Cleveland.com
Cleveland Institute of Music -- Mixon Hall Expansion -- $40 million COMPLETED 2007 Cleveland Institute of Music – Mixon Hall Expansion


Proposed ($200-$500 Million):
Case Western Reserve Field House -- $5-$10 million Case Western Reserve University | News Center
Cleveland Natural History Museum Expansion -- $30-50 million Evalyn Gates takes helm at Cleveland Museum of Natural History as expansion plans gel | cleveland.com
Lot 45 -- $30-$100 million University Circle stretches its boundaries; leaders focus on building up district, blurring borders | cleveland.com
Uptown Phase II (Ford and Euclid)
Uptown Hotel TBA
E.119th three-story Office Building Developers settle dispute over land in Cleveland's Little Italy | cleveland.com
Case Western Reserve West Quad -- $50 million 90.3 WCPN ideastream / Northeast Ohio Public Radio, Television and Multiple Media
Circle Gateway Center Development - Strategic Investment Sites | University Circle
East End Development Development - Strategic Investment Sites | University Circle
Stokes Corridor Development - Strategic Investment Sites | University Circle

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Old 12-20-2011, 06:45 AM
 
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Well how about this data for ya...Rust Belt/Great Lakes region recent unemployment numbers:

October 2011:

1) Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN -- 5.4%
5) Pittsburgh, PA -- 6.4%
6) Rochester, NY -- 6.7%
8) Buffalo, NY -- 7.0%
10) Cleveland, OH -- 7.1%

Unemployment Rates for Large Metropolitan Areas

What's especially interesting is the rise by Rochester, Buffalo, and Cleveland, beating places like Atlanta(9.9%), Charlotte(10.2%), and Las Vegas(13.3%)

This has been happening for awhile yet many still yammer on about places like Austin, Seattle and Philly as the hot spots for development and/or jobs. Cleveland's development projects as stated in another post are eye-popping and if you expand the "Midwest" definition what's happening in some of the Plains States in terms of unemployment rates is astounding...4%???
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Old 12-20-2011, 08:39 AM
 
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This has been happening for awhile yet many still yammer on about places like Austin, Seattle and Philly as the hot spots for development and/or jobs. Cleveland's development projects as stated in another post are eye-popping and if you expand the "Midwest" definition what's happening in some of the Plains States in terms of unemployment rates is astounding...4%???
Lots of places in the Midwest have very low unemployment rates. I grew up in Iowa City. Over the past 21 years the city has averaged between 1.5% and 3.5% unemployment. During the worst of the recession it stood at 4.5% before sinking back to around 3.5%. At the same time the city added over 25,000 new jobs, or around a 50% growth.

Des Moines has added around 90,000 jobs since 1990. It's unemployment is normally between 3.5% and more recently 5.0%. Back in the late 1990's it was only 1.9%.

In Iowa our economically depressed places were Waterloo and Davenport. What are their unemployment rates? 5.0% and 6.7%. That would be great for many areas of the country...

Current Rates:

Omaha: 4.8%
Madison: 5.1%
Dubuque: 5.4%
Fargo: 3.1%
Lincoln: 3.4%
Sioux Falls: 3.9%
Ames: 4.1%
Des Moines: 5.5%
Ann Arbor: 5.7%
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Old 12-20-2011, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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I agree, the Rustbelt did serve the country and was dominant until the 1950s-1970s when the cities started to decline. The Rustbelt has done more for this country than any other region.
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Old 12-20-2011, 06:25 PM
 
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Well how about this data for ya...Rust Belt/Great Lakes region recent unemployment numbers:

October 2011:

1) Minneapolis-St. Paul, MN -- 5.4%
5) Pittsburgh, PA -- 6.4%
6) Rochester, NY -- 6.7%
8) Buffalo, NY -- 7.0%
10) Cleveland, OH -- 7.1%

Unemployment Rates for Large Metropolitan Areas

What's especially interesting is the rise by Rochester, Buffalo, and Cleveland, beating places like Atlanta(9.9%), Charlotte(10.2%), and Las Vegas(13.3%)
Wow,that is very interesting.
One thing that I always hear that kills job growth in the rustbelt is the unions.
Yet,the stats say otherwise.
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Old 12-21-2011, 08:10 AM
 
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Wow,that is very interesting.
One thing that I always hear that kills job growth in the rustbelt is the unions.
Yet,the stats say otherwise.
It helped kill jobs for certain industries in certain regions. "Rustbelt = Midwest" is very stereotypical and not true at all. You can name the places in the Midwest that ARE rustbelt, but it'd take you weeks to name all the places where people live that AREN'T.

I have friends that grew up in metro Cleveland. Most people there live in the suburbs, and most of them really have nothing to do with heavy industry, especially in 2011.

Chicago was heavily manufacturing post WWII. Today that sector is a little less than 20% and shrinking.
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Old 12-21-2011, 08:14 AM
 
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Wow,that is very interesting.
One thing that I always hear that kills job growth in the rustbelt is the unions.
Yet,the stats say otherwise.
GOP political rhetoric. The spin is that the sunbelt "Red States" are leading the economic revival, yet when one looks at the actual data it doesn't hold water..
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