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Old 12-21-2011, 10:18 AM
 
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This would be the proper thing to do, if anything. At least you do have more of a leg to stand on... Even so, England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are STILL separate countries with their own cultures and capitals, even if they all fall under the parliamentary system of the UK. They are all separate countries within a larger country (which happens to be UK (a sovereign state)).
If they were separate countrys they would rule themselves.

They are more similar to a US state than an actual sovereign state.

Heres one thing that you are wrong.

See, the United States is a sovereign state aka a country aka a nation. So is France, Germany, China, Japan and all the other countries you'd know of.

Scotland, Wales, England and Northern Ireland are not sovereign states.

The United Kingdom IS.
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Old 12-21-2011, 10:21 AM
 
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No, it is a country, with 4 countries inside it. All of these countries government and administration predate the UK itself.

As I said, even with this setup, it still isn't the strongest argument.

There is a reason that 90% of the people in this thread are arguing against you, we aren't doing it for fun, trust me. We are just trying to inform you of your err. You probably should have done a bit more research before you joined the site and made the thread.
So the UK is NOT a country? Please huh

The UK is a sovereign state like Germany(for example)

And Germany is a country.
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Old 12-21-2011, 10:24 AM
 
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So the UK is NOT a country? Please huh

The UK is a sovereign state like Germany(for example)

And Germany is a country.
You need to work on your reading comprehension.

"No, it is a country, with 4 countries inside it."

You should probably take a history lesson.

I have taken the liberty of finding some online resources to help you.

Modern Irish History from 1800 to present
http://ocw.umb.edu/history/modern-ir...800-to-present
Welsh History and it's sources
http://openlearn.open.ac.uk/course/view.php?id=3805
European Imperialism in the 19th and 20th Centuries
http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/history/2...s-spring-2006/
Monarchs People and History
http://ocw.umb.edu/history/monarchs-...rchs%20history



These should catch you up.

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Old 12-21-2011, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, Canada
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Do you honestly believe German Americans for example outnumber British-Americans? I mean I don't really see how you can make an argument for that.... When clearly there is more people who identify themselves as having British ancestry.

You can make all types of examples if you want.

I just go by the facts.

30,5% identify as having British ancestry

15,2% identify as having German ancestry
According to the chart you posted the combined English and Scottish are 10.4%. If you count Irish as British, then it comes up to 22.7% if the Scottish-Irish ( odd category ) and Irish are added, but we're talking about British ancestry.

So if you mean British Isles, then yes, they are the largest ancestry group. But if you mean British, then no.

Not sure where the 30.5% came from.
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Old 12-21-2011, 10:26 AM
 
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In 1980 US Census, there were 50 million English American and 61 million British American. The actual number should be even greater.

Even demographers say the real number of English American is estimated between 60-80 million and Scottish/Scots-Irish American are between 30-40 million. If you add the two that makes about 100 million (counting also Welsh American). This is by far much more than German American.
Indeed.

I wonder how there could be such a rapdi decline of English and British Americans?

It's pretty much impossible for an ethnic group to lose over 20 million people in just 30 years.

This is what I'm talking about, the number of English and British americans gets downplayed in favor of German, Italian and all other groups virtually.
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Old 12-21-2011, 10:28 AM
 
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Scotland, Wales, England and Northern Ireland are not sovereign states.

The United Kingdom IS.
And the history behind this is violent and resistant. There is your reason for the disassociation from all things "British". Do you think people in India, South Africa, America, etc. considered themselves "British" during occupation?

Do you think Canadians or Australians consider themselves "British"?
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Old 12-21-2011, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, Canada
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The problem with all of these surveys is that they are self-reporting. Many people aren't aware of their ancestry further than their great grandparents, sometimes just their grandparents.
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Old 12-21-2011, 10:29 AM
 
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According to the chart you posted the combined English and Scottish are 10.4%. If you count Irish as British, then it comes up to 22.7% if the Scottish-Irish ( odd category ) and Irish are added, but we're talking about British ancestry.

So if you mean British Isles, then yes, they are the largest ancestry group. But if you mean British, then no.

Not sure where the 30.5% came from.
Those who identify as "American"(7,2%) are by far mostly Scotch-Irish and English

Then you forgot that I mentioned Scotch-Irish(1,5%) and Welsh(0,6%)

With English(8,7%) and Scottish(1,7%)

It adds up to around 19,7%.

And 61 mil British-Americans don't just dissapear in just 30 years. No they have rebranded themselves as something else.
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Old 12-21-2011, 10:34 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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Actually defoe, nobody gives a rats ass except you. Join today and hammer this ridiculous thread to death; me thinketh thou art a Troll.
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Old 12-21-2011, 10:36 AM
 
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You need to work on your reading comprehension.

"No, it is a country, with 4 countries inside it."

You should probably take a history lesson.

I have taken the liberty of finding some online resources to help you.

Modern Irish History from 1800 to present
Modern Irish History from 1800 to present — University of Massachusetts Boston
Welsh History and it's sources
http://openlearn.open.ac.uk/course/view.php?id=3805
European Imperialism in the 19th and 20th Centuries
MIT OpenCourseWare | History | 21H.443 European Imperialism in the 19th and 20th Centuries, Spring 2006 | Home
Monarchs People and History
Monarchs, People, and History — University of Massachusetts Boston



These should catch you up.
The UK is one country, that's all there is to it.

You say they are separate countries which is quite simply false.

The UK is a sovereign state, Germany is a sovereign state.

Yet German-Americans can be counted as one but not British-Americans.

Whats the difference?
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