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Old 12-21-2011, 12:56 PM
 
Location: roaming gnome
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Maybe it is a Southern thing because for me personally I've never meet a White American who didn't knew their European roots .
It isn't a southern thing, just posters that don't can't trace their ancestry.
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Old 12-21-2011, 12:59 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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Go to Scotland or Ireland and tell someone that they're really English and wait to see what happens.
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Old 12-21-2011, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Vineland, NJ
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It isn't a southern thing, just posters that don't can't trace their ancestry.
Well, I will say that its very rare to find that in the Northeast.
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Old 12-21-2011, 01:03 PM
 
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Go to Scotland or Ireland and tell someone that they're really English and wait to see what happens.
Where did I refer to Scottish and Irish people as English???
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Old 12-21-2011, 01:06 PM
 
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Where did I refer to Scottish and Irish people as English???
Replace with British, and you will get the same result.

Let me put it this way to you... If this were the 1990s...would you be making the argument that Hong Kong was British? After all, Hong Kong was also sovereign under the UK, until it became sovereign under China in 1997.
So should all people who went from Hong Kong to the U.S. also be counted as British-Americans?
Hopefully you will realize how quickly this argument falls apart when you are trying to group ancestries. In many ways, it is exactly what you are posturing in this thread.
Let us go back further in case these examples do not make it clear for you.

Belize was a British Colony as well, it used to be British Honduras, and their official national language is English! Not even dual like Ireland or Wales. Should people from Belize be considered British-Americans?

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Old 12-21-2011, 01:16 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
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So British-Americans are really by far the largest "group", those stats were from 2000 so it might have declined a bit since, and I suppose some of the ones who identify as "American" might be French or whatever but most of those are by far Scotch-Irish/English. ("American" shouldn't be confused with "Native American", who only make up 1,37% of the US population)

And even if the number of British-Americans have declined by a few percent, they still BY FAR outnumber German-Americans(who are said to be the biggest group). Infact British-Americans pretty much double German-Americans.
Here, both obviously and by implication.

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Where did I refer to Scottish and Irish people as English???
You complain (I guess) about many not recognizing their English/British ancestry. Why does it matter to you? I for one don't give a **** where my ancestors (one of whom was a signer of the Declaration of Independence) came from. That's one half in the early 1700's, the other half came from Germany (or rather what is now Germany, actually Bavaria) in the 1840's. Those facts neither inform me, guide any actions I may take nor how I think of myself or others. My ancestry means next to zero. And for those who think it's important my question is "Why?".

I now live in an area where one of the leading families claims descent from that famous Scottish King MacBeth. He who Shakespeare wrote about.
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Old 12-21-2011, 01:19 PM
 
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Maybe it is a Southern thing because for me personally I've never meet a White American who didn't knew their European roots .
Well, unlike the Norteast, the majority of whites in the South descend from the original settlers, so it's too far back in time.
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Old 12-21-2011, 01:21 PM
 
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If this were the 1990s...would you be making the argument that Hong Kong was British?
So you're trying to tell me it wasn't British? I guess next you're gonna tell me Scotland isn't British either?

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So should all people who went from Hong Kong to the U.S. also be counted as British-Americans?
No, because they are far more different than what a Scotsman is compared to an Englisman or Welshman.

Scotland, England and Wales have traditionally been the UK for hundreds of years. They speak the same language. And modern day Scotland is hardly THAT different from modern day England. Minor differences sure but it's not like comparing England with China.
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Old 12-21-2011, 01:24 PM
 
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Here, both obviously and by implication.
I implied that those who identify as "American" on the census are mainly Scotch-Irish AND/OR English, which is true.

Not that Scottish and Irish people are the same as English.
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Old 12-21-2011, 01:29 PM
 
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It isn't a southern thing, just posters that don't can't trace their ancestry.
It's mostly a southern thing.

http://www.census.gov/prod/2004pubs/c2kbr-35.pdf

(you need to scroll down a bit to the
ancestry map)
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