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Old 12-25-2011, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Duluth, Minnesota, USA
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The old truism "the grass is always greener on other side" applies both to history and geography. A man may say 1985 was, without a doubt, better than 2011, but wait until he has to give up his iPhone with Spotify and Netflix and his Facebook and his DVR and he may feel a bit differently.

I can say though, without qualification, that there have been better periods of my life which I would be more than happy to go back to. For the broad public, I feel 2007-2008 was the real turning point. Those were the years the housing bubble popped and we began to enter the recession, which left millions unemployed (but many with iPhones) and even more with stagnant salaries or pay cuts despite rising prices, energy prices shot up, creating a "new normal" for gas prices (though the entire process started before Hurricane Katrina) and having rebound effect on consumer prices (i.e. food, which has been up majorly since 2007), and the like.
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Old 12-25-2011, 03:59 PM
 
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See my corrections (in bold)to your claims
1. Planned obsolescence only applies to marketing. I have had the same PC since 2008. It still runs brand new. You don't remember the horrible life span of PCs in the 90s? You remember the blue screen? Cell phones are also lasting longer. Consumer groups can prove this to you.

2. I agree with you. It's still in our advantage.

3. No dispute

4. We all do. We all have access to an emergency room. Look how sicknesses and ailments are being better treated in the last decades. You can't dispute that.

5. More people are going to college and graduating at the same time. Not to mention we have something called the internet? MIT opencourses give everybody access to information. Look at Youtube. You can get pretty much any tutorial off of Youtube(Khanacademy, PatrickJMT, NewBoston, Howto, and etc..). This might not be education in the conventional sense, but it's education nonetheless.



We might have a economy that's in shambles(which is recovering to an extent), but we have a better lively hood due to technological advancements. The average Joe has way more than a King had in the last few centuries.
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Old 12-25-2011, 05:24 PM
 
Location: the future
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After Kennedy and I was born in 85
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Old 12-25-2011, 05:40 PM
 
Location: New Orleans
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Statistically speaking, we were at our peak in about 1970 as at that time our share of the world's GDP was the largest it's ever been.

However, as Dave said above me, do you really want to drive a Pinto just to say that America is #1?
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Old 12-25-2011, 05:57 PM
 
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The 1960s of course. Everything went downhill after that.

Agree. LBJ started the "out-of-control deficit spending" when he began stealing money from Social Security to pay for the Vietnam war.
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Old 12-25-2011, 07:43 PM
 
Location: East Coast of the United States
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Statistically speaking, we were at our peak in about 1970 as at that time our share of the world's GDP was the largest it's ever been.
Comparative GDP means hardly anything. Other countries have gotten richer - good for them.

America's GDP and GDP per capita are WAY higher today than they were in 1970. Our cities are among the wealthiest in the world. America has not declined at all.
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Old 12-25-2011, 07:56 PM
 
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Comparative GDP means hardly anything. Other countries have gotten richer - good for them.

America's GDP and GDP per capita are WAY higher today than they were in 1970. Our cities are among the wealthiest in the world. America has not declined at all.
not to mention like 90% of the world needed to be from 1945-1960
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Old 12-25-2011, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Jefferson City 4 days a week, St. Louis 3 days a week
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For the most part, America has not declined in my opinion. It's problems and priorities have changed continuously. In many ways, America in the 1970s was worse off than it is today...in some ways it was better. It's all relative to where you live, what generation you belong to, and what your opinions are. The Rust Belt once was America's powerhouse. Now it's the Sunbelt. Smoking was once the major threat to our nation's health. Now it's food. The list goes on and on and on. In the 1980s and 1990s, America was better off I think than in either the 1960s or 1970s in certain areas. We have had major problems resembling out of control deficit spending...the Vietnam War is hardly what I'd call a rationale investment, not to mention spending billions sending people to the moon at the same time. Our country has never been perfect....economies might run more efficiently with more or less technology, but human reasoning and differences in views in my opinion will stay the same. As long as humans run countries, decline is all relative, because just like every human has different defects, so do different societies when comparing both different decades and other societies.
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Old 12-25-2011, 08:07 PM
 
Location: The canyon (with my pistols and knife)
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Our civic decline began in the 1960's with the advent of Lyndon B. Johnson's "Great Society" programs. Our social decline began in the 1970's when divorce, pornography and recreational drug use all became ubiquitous. Our economic decline began in the 1980's when everybody decided to consume more and produce less. The 1990's were but a happy interlude before the chickens came home to roost in the 2000's.
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Old 12-25-2011, 08:18 PM
 
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Our civic decline began in the 1960's with the advent of Lyndon B. Johnson's "Great Society" programs. Our social decline began in the 1970's when divorce, pornography and recreational drug use all became ubiquitous. Our economic decline began in the 1980's when everybody decided to consume more and produce less. The 1990's were but a happy interlude before the chickens came home to roost in the 2000's.
Ohhhhh.

Now I get it. The whole premise of the "decline" of America is the same old sad moralist argument that we're having waaaaaay too much fun these days!!

The culture war is over. You dinosaurs lost. Time to accept that. Sorry.
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