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Old 12-25-2011, 09:57 PM
 
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Ohhhhh.

Now I get it. The whole premise of the "decline" of America is the same old sad moralist argument that we're having waaaaaay too much fun these days!!

The culture war is over. You dinosaurs lost. Time to accept that. Sorry.
People have been made to believe they are having fun, but it is only an illusion since they are generally self medicating to rationalize their own pathetic existence... don't like the truth? sorry

Have fun letting the media control your minds... I will continue to laugh knowing I can still think for myself
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Old 12-25-2011, 09:59 PM
 
Location: New Orleans
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Comparative GDP means hardly anything. Other countries have gotten richer - good for them.

America's GDP and GDP per capita are WAY higher today than they were in 1970. Our cities are among the wealthiest in the world. America has not declined at all.
Oh no, I know that. I was really speaking to our decline as a "world power". We're a smaller portion of the world's economy today, but we still have troops in 175 countries.

The idea of the decline of America has been around a long time. Look back at the 50s, the "American Decade", and the greatest fear was that we had/would be surpassed by the USSR. We may not be as prosperous as we were a few years ago, but substitute "China" for "USSR" and not much has changed.

I heard an interesting comment on this whole idea from Larry Summers. It's basically an argument for American exceptionalism, but he called the "decline of America" a "self-defeating prophecy".
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Old 12-25-2011, 10:01 PM
 
Location: southern california
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1963, was the moral decline or moral meltdown its was not gradual very sudden a matter of months--- economic came later, when bush cleaned out his desk.

Last edited by Huckleberry3911948; 12-25-2011 at 10:14 PM..
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Old 12-25-2011, 10:04 PM
 
Location: The canyon (with my pistols and knife)
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Ohhhhh.

Now I get it. The whole premise of the "decline" of America is the same old sad moralist argument that we're having waaaaaay too much fun these days!!
Believe it or not, you can have fun without being a sociopath. Furthermore, it's because of pornography that the art of making love has been lost in the United States. We have too many porn star wannabes and not enough lovers. You're probably one of the former.

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The culture war is over. You dinosaurs lost. Time to accept that. Sorry.
Don't dislocate your shoulder patting yourself on the back now, OK?
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Old 12-25-2011, 10:11 PM
 
Location: southwestern USA
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I would say a decline materialized around 2001-2002, when a lot of people thought they could cash in on the housing bubble.

Houses were flipped regularly, unfair and foolish mortgages were granted to people who could not afford a home, and the result was a housing crash that has led to a lengthy recession, that although official over, is not really over.

When a lot of banks, brokers, and just plain regular folks thought they could cash in on the bubble, a real plunge occurred.

I feel sorry for the people that were duped and mislead into shady mortgages without better guidance. I really dont think the economy is really going to start moving forward again until the housing crash ends----and if does, we need much stricter regulation and control to prevent another bubble.
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Old 12-25-2011, 10:17 PM
 
Location: Reading PA
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See my corrections (in bold)to your claims
I believe the decline began in the mid 80's when Reagan pushed through a massive tax cut for the wealthy, while running massive deficits in order to build up the military. This increase in income for the wealthy led to massive investments in the stock market. In turn corporations were driven to maximize profits which led them to seek lower costs by outsourcing manufacturing to cheaper labor markets which began the decline of jobs and wages in the US.

While a portion of society sought to increase personal wealth, reduced government income led to the neglect of our infrastructure further attributing to the decline of America.

More to follow later
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Old 12-25-2011, 11:25 PM
 
Location: New Orleans
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Believe it or not, you can have fun without being a sociopath. Furthermore, it's because of pornography that the art of making love has been lost in the United States. We have too many porn star wannabes and not enough lovers. You're probably one of the former.



Don't dislocate your shoulder patting yourself on the back now, OK?

I'll tell you when the decline really started. When that first hooker saw him sitting across the fire and thought, "hmm, I can get some meat (no pun intended) for this". Fast-forward a few thousand years and you have all these miscreants doing things like painting naked women on the walls of caves (I think was sometime around 1973, but I'm not sure).
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Old 12-25-2011, 11:31 PM
 
Location: The canyon (with my pistols and knife)
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Really? Your whole argument comes down to insulting his skills in the bedroom.
And his whole argument came down to calling me a "dinosaur." If he insults me, then he's a fair target. (Same goes for you.) I don't insult first, but more often than not, I do insult last. Funny how that works out. It's really sweet of you to pick a fight with me on his behalf, though.

By the way, your edit came too late.
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Old 12-25-2011, 11:34 PM
 
Location: New Orleans
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And his whole argument came down to calling me a "dinosaur." If he insults me, then he's a fair target. (Same goes for you.) I don't insult first, but more often than not, I do insult last. Funny how that works out. It's really sweet of you to pick a fight with me on his behalf, though.

By the way, your edit came too late.
So? It's like a painting, it's a work in progress.
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Old 12-26-2011, 09:59 AM
 
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I would say a decline materialized around 2001-2002, when a lot of people thought they could cash in on the housing bubble.

Houses were flipped regularly, unfair and foolish mortgages were granted to people who could not afford a home, and the result was a housing crash that has led to a lengthy recession, that although official over, is not really over.

When a lot of banks, brokers, and just plain regular folks thought they could cash in on the bubble, a real plunge occurred.

I feel sorry for the people that were duped and mislead into shady mortgages without better guidance. I really dont think the economy is really going to start moving forward again until the housing crash ends----and if does, we need much stricter regulation and control to prevent another bubble.

It was Bill Clinton's administration that did away with mortgage regulations that lead to the housing bubble.
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