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Old 01-21-2012, 09:27 PM
 
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Growth is generally a good thing. Unskilled laborers will work the jobs that people whose families have been here for generations won't. And who, exactly, will work for all these entrepreneurs? I started my own business when I was 25, and out of the five or six people who I employed, all but one of them could have been considered "unskilled" as far as the actual job description was concerned.

I'll also mention that much has been made of the "Texas miracle" as far as it being the leading state for job growth in the country. If you look at the actual demographics, though, a large part of that "miracle" is that Mexican immigration flooded their urban areas with cheap labor who would do the lowly manufacturing jobs, etc. that so many of those with an isolationist bent claim is what America needs to focus on.

As great as it would be if we could just create an economy where every job paid $15 an hour or more, the fact is that ideology ignores the role of transportation in trade.
Texas actually had a minimum wage boom, supported by energy. It is really not good growth.
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Old 01-21-2012, 11:09 PM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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I honestly think the "peak" of American power and prosperity was in the year 2000, though much of what is causing America's decline can be traced back to at least the 1950s. America started to show signs of imminent decline when the mantle of power shifted from the GI generation to the baby boomers.

The baby boomers were the most spoiled generation in American history at the time they grew up, and millennials are 100x more spoiled than the baby boomers ever were. Because most people alive today and in power have always known material excess, their world views and values are quite different from the GI generation and before. The entitlement mentality today will be this country's downfall, and that's becoming more and more clear with each passing year. Its the reason we are being strangled by debt. Is the reason the younger generation has more faith in socialist European countries than they do the US government. It's even the reason for the unemployment crisis, as we shipped our manufacturing jobs overseas so we could shop at Wal-Mart and save a few pennies. I believe we are past the point of no return. I'm afraid its going to take a serious economic crisis to really change things.


This post hits the nail on the head. The root of all of the social decay we see in this nation is the material excess that three generations of American have grown up with and come to expect.(boomers, gen x and millenials) The boomers never wanted for anything, and spent thier whole lives focused on themselves. Look at thier hedonistic behaivor in the 60s, they had fun and thats all that counts. They never thought about the negative effects of thier behaivor on our nation, and to this day they are proud of what they did in the 60s and 70s. The boomers espoused a new socialist way of living in thier youth, but moved on to take advantage of the capitalist system that has served our nation since its founding. Because of the post war economic situation the boomers reaped the benefits of Americas greatest period of prosperity, and consumed like no other generation before. They raised thier children (millenials) in this enviroment in the 1980s and 1990s. As you pointed out they are even more selfish and entitled yet. As a result we have a nation that is deeply in debt, as a goverment, and as private citizens. Hardly anything you see in this nation, homes, cars, business and corporations do not have a large note on them. The self centered attitude also has degraded our morals to the point that we throw away marriages, engage in perversion, give our lives to drugs and alcohol and allow TV and movies that are profane. Young girls wear clothing that makes them look like common strumpets, our kids get tattoos and piercings and our children idolize people like the Jersey Shore cast members. Christian values are mocked, and God driven out of our schools and public institutions. When did all this decay begin???? I agree with previous posters who blame the boomers, so I would say it began in the 1950s as they began to grow up feeling entitled. The decay became aparent in the 1960s with the boomer hippy movement. The late 70s and 1980s things seemed to stablize for a while, but by the 1990s the decay exploded. The internet, and the fact that the spoiled millenial generation was growing into thier teens is the reason for this rapid moral decay in the 90s. The difference between todays world and say 1982 are shocking. While Im not old enough to know what 1952 was like I would say that 1982 would be shocking to those in 1952 as well. That being said its fair to say that since WW2 each generation has added to our decline as a society. This post Ive quoted suggest it will take a serious economic crises to straigten us out. I think its going to be worse than that. Since we are such a spoiled and entitled people we no longer are the tough independent people we were when we went through other national crises like WW2, the depression and the civil war. Can you imagine modern Americans accepting a radically lower standard of living peacefully??? Can you imagine modern Americans growing gardens in thier backyards, canning food, and scrounging for minimal jobs they see as beneath them? I know I cant see it. Its most likely when things get ugly after an inevidable economic collapse we will degenerate into civil unrest, anarchy or even civil war. People will choose thier camps based on socioeconomic status, political leanings and race and then we will tear apart what took 236 years to build. When the dust settles we will be a shadow of what we were. We may not even be one nation anymore. Our grandchildren will sit in the ruins and talk about what used to be and fix blame where it belongs. Hopefully enough will be left for them to begin to rebuild what we allowed to be destroyed through our own greed and self centred living.
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Old 01-22-2012, 12:26 AM
 
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This post hits the nail on the head. The root of all of the social decay we see in this nation is the material excess that three generations of American have grown up with and come to expect.(boomers, gen x and millenials) The boomers never wanted for anything, and spent thier whole lives focused on themselves. Look at thier hedonistic behaivor in the 60s, they had fun and thats all that counts. They never thought about the negative effects of thier behaivor on our nation, and to this day they are proud of what they did in the 60s and 70s. The boomers espoused a new socialist way of living in thier youth, but moved on to take advantage of the capitalist system that has served our nation since its founding. Because of the post war economic situation the boomers reaped the benefits of Americas greatest period of prosperity, and consumed like no other generation before. They raised thier children (millenials) in this enviroment in the 1980s and 1990s. As you pointed out they are even more selfish and entitled yet. As a result we have a nation that is deeply in debt, as a goverment, and as private citizens. Hardly anything you see in this nation, homes, cars, business and corporations do not have a large note on them. The self centered attitude also has degraded our morals to the point that we throw away marriages, engage in perversion, give our lives to drugs and alcohol and allow TV and movies that are profane. Young girls wear clothing that makes them look like common strumpets, our kids get tattoos and piercings and our children idolize people like the Jersey Shore cast members. Christian values are mocked, and God driven out of our schools and public institutions. When did all this decay begin???? I agree with previous posters who blame the boomers, so I would say it began in the 1950s as they began to grow up feeling entitled. The decay became aparent in the 1960s with the boomer hippy movement. The late 70s and 1980s things seemed to stablize for a while, but by the 1990s the decay exploded. The internet, and the fact that the spoiled millenial generation was growing into thier teens is the reason for this rapid moral decay in the 90s. The difference between todays world and say 1982 are shocking. While Im not old enough to know what 1952 was like I would say that 1982 would be shocking to those in 1952 as well. That being said its fair to say that since WW2 each generation has added to our decline as a society. This post Ive quoted suggest it will take a serious economic crises to straigten us out. I think its going to be worse than that. Since we are such a spoiled and entitled people we no longer are the tough independent people we were when we went through other national crises like WW2, the depression and the civil war. Can you imagine modern Americans accepting a radically lower standard of living peacefully??? Can you imagine modern Americans growing gardens in thier backyards, canning food, and scrounging for minimal jobs they see as beneath them? I know I cant see it. Its most likely when things get ugly after an inevidable economic collapse we will degenerate into civil unrest, anarchy or even civil war. People will choose thier camps based on socioeconomic status, political leanings and race and then we will tear apart what took 236 years to build. When the dust settles we will be a shadow of what we were. We may not even be one nation anymore. Our grandchildren will sit in the ruins and talk about what used to be and fix blame where it belongs. Hopefully enough will be left for them to begin to rebuild what we allowed to be destroyed through our own greed and self centred living.
Most boomers in the 60s werent hippies, and most werent disco cokeheads in the 70s. In both cases they were a small minority. People need to get over the whole, "every boomer was a hippy mentality."

However, I do agree they are the root of the problem. It is the, "I want benefits but dont want to pay for them," mentality that is ruining this country. They dont like taxes but want government programs. They want cheap goods so they shop at Walmart and target, but complain about the decline in American manufacturing. They want to live in a giant McMansion in the suburb and drive an SUV while commuting to the city but complain about America's dependence on gas, the lack of community, and the decline of culture. They want to eat big portions of fatty caloric food, but complain about obesity.

You cant have cake and eat it at the same time.

This mentality comes from a few elites who champion this way of thinking because they redistributed the wealth of the middle class to themselves.
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Old 01-22-2012, 06:53 AM
 
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I was born in 1961. I was born into an upper middle class family, in the richest county in the United States. From what I know and have experienced, the political assasinations in the 1960's, the Vietnam War, and the monster that was created with the Social programs created by LBJ started our decline. Then, the seeds of greed, and real economic decline for average American workers began around 1980. That's when the tenacles of special interests started to take over our government, and they really started "selling us down the river".

This continued on administration, after administration, and this continues with the present government "of the people" today.

This coincides with continued moral decay, as political correctness has dictated that we accept more and more unethical behavior or be judged "racist", "phobic", or simply old and "out of touch". More and more, our freedoms are being taken in the name of someone else knowing what is "best" or "safe" for us. I recently heard that one state if going to require children to wear helmets when sledding for God's sakes.

Electronic gadgets and gizmos are not an indicator of quality of life, in my opinion. Beyond all the electronic toys, phones, and pads, what REAL progress have we made? And while we may have made great strides in health care, how many diseases have we actually CURED, not just managed, during the last few decades? Also, health care is NOT accesible to a great many Americans who either cannot afford insurance or out-of-pocket care, can't get insurance, or are not working the "system" for access to it. I work for the public, and I've never seen so many fat and unhealthy people in my life.

Progress? I love this country, but I see regression.
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Old 01-22-2012, 01:52 PM
 
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I was born in 1961. I was born into an upper middle class family, in the richest county in the United States. From what I know and have experienced, the political assasinations in the 1960's, the Vietnam War, and the monster that was created with the Social programs created by LBJ started our decline. Then, the seeds of greed, and real economic decline for average American workers began around 1980. That's when the tenacles of special interests started to take over our government, and they really started "selling us down the river".

This continued on administration, after administration, and this continues with the present government "of the people" today.

This coincides with continued moral decay, as political correctness has dictated that we accept more and more unethical behavior or be judged "racist", "phobic", or simply old and "out of touch". More and more, our freedoms are being taken in the name of someone else knowing what is "best" or "safe" for us. I recently heard that one state if going to require children to wear helmets when sledding for God's sakes.

Electronic gadgets and gizmos are not an indicator of quality of life, in my opinion. Beyond all the electronic toys, phones, and pads, what REAL progress have we made? And while we may have made great strides in health care, how many diseases have we actually CURED, not just managed, during the last few decades? Also, health care is NOT accesible to a great many Americans who either cannot afford insurance or out-of-pocket care, can't get insurance, or are not working the "system" for access to it. I work for the public, and I've never seen so many fat and unhealthy people in my life.

Progress? I love this country, but I see regression.

The average American's standard of living began to decline in the mid-1960s when taxes started going up to pay for all those welfare programs created by LBJ. The middle class has had to pay for what the "poor" get free.
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Old 01-23-2012, 04:21 PM
 
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Christian values are mocked, and God driven out of our schools and public institutions.
Christian values ought to be mocked. Killing children for disobedience or stoning doctors to death for working on the sabbath, keeping slaves and treating women as second class citizens are abhorrent, yet you so called values call for all of the above. As for gawd in schools, he shouldn't have ever been there in the first place, as it's blatantly unconstitutional.
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Old 01-23-2012, 04:32 PM
 
Location: IN
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For those of you who live in "insulated bubble" areas of affluence or very low unemployment you might not think that the US has declined. However, if you take a short trip out of the bubble to many other parts of the US your opinion might dramatically change.
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Old 01-23-2012, 07:23 PM
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Christian values ought to be mocked. Killing children for disobedience or stoning doctors to death for working on the sabbath, keeping slaves and treating women as second class citizens are abhorrent, yet you so called values call for all of the above. As for gawd in schools, he shouldn't have ever been there in the first place, as it's blatantly unconstitutional.
Christian values do not condone murdering anyone. You are misinformed about Christianity.
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Old 01-23-2012, 07:40 PM
 
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Christian values do not condone murdering anyone. You are misinformed about Christianity.
It is you who is misinformed. The very same book that many of your flock use to condemn homosexuality instructs precisly thusly. And since it is the innerrant word of gawd, if you don't follow it to the letter, you are as damned as a homosexual.
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Old 01-23-2012, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Pasadena, CA
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Ah yes, the good ole days of the cold war, segregation and discrimination, high crime rates in cities, and comparatively poor technology. Those were the days.
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