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Old 12-27-2011, 12:21 AM
 
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Sometimes I don't really feel like Oregon and Washington are really American. I mean, I know they are, but they seem so removed from the heart of the country back East and in the Midwest. And I think the culture is different too. People here aren't as passionate about sports, religion isn't a big deal, and people seem less patriotic on the whole, at least less than average. All things I'm fine with as I'm not passionate about any of those 3 things, and I think part of it has to do with where I'm from.

I think aside from Alaska and Hawaii, the PNW is the region that feels most culturally and physically detached from the core of America. It could almost just as well be Canadian imo.
People are passionate about sports. You think think PDX'ers and Seattleites aren't? Then you need to go to a soccer game.... if you can get a ticket. As for the other sports, Seahawks suck like heck, but they've got many devoted fans and they fill up the stadium. Mariners needs a whole new FO and man, does the team suck... and yet, they still got many people coming to the games. NBA basically done Seattle dirty. Oh well. But Portland *love* their basketball team. Both Seattle and PDX also tend to be rated as both healthy and fittest cities in the US because people are active (one source even says 85% of Seattleites some exercise every month). They also hike and bike, join sport leagues et. c.

Religion... that's the main culture here: That is to be a private thing not to be discussed publicly. It doesn't mean that its "not a big deal".

Patriotic? This link disagrees with you. PDX rated #1 and Seattle #4. Most Patriotic Cities: Men's Health.com Washington and Oregon also tend to have a high voter turnouts... that should be considered patriotic.
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Old 12-27-2011, 01:07 AM
 
Location: Both coasts
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the Pacific NW is not any "less American" than any other region- it just has its own regional culture (an extension of the overall West Coast subculture) where amusement parks, cheerleading & Nascar is simply not as big as in other parts of the country.

there is definitely a more low-key reserved feel in Seattle and Portland, but it just reflects its own regional culture- nothing to do with being "less American."

Pacific NW people strike me as being health-oriented, not necessarily as wrapped up with religion and politics but who generally value education and open-mindedness... but this is a commonality with SF Bay Area & even Denver as well.

Also, the "Canadian" connection is only with Vancouver (which is like a sibling city to Seattle) and not with the rest of Canada which feels very different from the Pacific NW imo- and there are lots of Canadian quirks that do not exist whatsoever even in the northernmost part of WA so I dont really see the link there...the Pacific NW is simply just it's own regional subculture- it seems cut-off because people elsewhere dont really think of the region (it's an under-the-radar-kind-of-place), but when I lived there years ago, it actually is very progressive and didn't feel isolated whatsoever in the metro areas

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Old 12-27-2011, 08:28 AM
 
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People are passionate about sports. You think think PDX'ers and Seattleites aren't? Then you need to go to a soccer game.... if you can get a ticket. As for the other sports, Seahawks suck like heck, but they've got many devoted fans and they fill up the stadium. Mariners needs a whole new FO and man, does the team suck... and yet, they still got many people coming to the games. NBA basically done Seattle dirty. Oh well. But Portland *love* their basketball team. Both Seattle and PDX also tend to be rated as both healthy and fittest cities in the US because people are active (one source even says 85% of Seattleites some exercise every month). They also hike and bike, join sport leagues et. c.

Religion... that's the main culture here: That is to be a private thing not to be discussed publicly. It doesn't mean that its "not a big deal".

Patriotic? This link disagrees with you. PDX rated #1 and Seattle #4. Most Patriotic Cities: Men's Health.com Washington and Oregon also tend to have a high voter turnouts... that should be considered patriotic.

Don't get me wrong, people are pretty passionate yes about the Ducks and Blazers, but I still think it's somewhat less of a burning passion than the way people feel about the Packers or the Red Sox. Also, while Cascadian soccer has some VERY passionate fans, i think soccer people are only a small minority of Cascadians, most people in Portland don't care about the Timbers.

I would say when it comes to religion, maybe half of Oregon/Washington residents are Christian. The rest could care less, most young people I know aren't religious, though certainly outside of the metros, religion is still quite strong in the Northwest, especially in places like Roseburg and Southwest Washington. When you consider the country as a whole is about 70% Christian though, 45-50% is pretty low.
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Old 12-27-2011, 08:30 AM
 
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I also think the Cascade Mountains, as well as our vast physical distance from everywhere (even California is a distant neighbor - San Francisco is further away from Portland than Atlanta is from Cleveland), make the Northwest feel quite isolated as a distinct community.
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Old 12-27-2011, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Bellingham, WA
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I'm visiting family in Tennessee for the holidays, and I'm not sure if the Southeast is more different from the PNW than the Midwest is, but every hour I'm here I'm reminded of differences that I never really thought about before, or that I never noticed. I lived in TN all my life until late July of this year, and even Western Washington is similar in some ways to the Southeast, but overall it's like a different world entirely. I visited last November as sort of a scouting trip and, of course, immediately noticed a lot differences. But after actually living there for five months and then returning here for a few days, all the differences are MUCH more apparent to me now, along with things I never even thought of, and I can only imagine how it will be after a year or two.
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Old 12-27-2011, 10:45 AM
 
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Since the majority of the media is in California, the Pacific West has created its own culture. The simplest way to describe the differences along the coast is that there is a Canadian influence to the north and a Mexican influence to the south, with coastal cities assimilating some ideas from ports around the world. Inland cities (Fresno, Spokane) are inland and thus have a culture closer to that of the rest of America.
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It is just a different culture altogether. And yes it is physically isolated. It's a beautiful area but I experienced similar things out there. It might as well be a different country. I definitely clashed in interests, attitude, humor, etc.
I like the culture in places like NYC, London, Chicago, Boston... PNW is almost antithetical to that. I know I would hate it out there, both the isolation, the culture, and the weather. It's probably the only region of the country I would never consider living in, and never have. There is some weird sterile monoculture out there in Portland and Seattle, and it manifests itself in pretentiousness against the rest of the country and passive aggressive when bad, something of a false idealist attitude. The politics are borderline socialist, and the mix of Asian culture in Seattle is not a perk for me, which is their #1 minority. There is a lack of much black or hispanic cultural influence there, which I think are key elements of the rest of the U.S. and it shows. Having lived in places like CA, FL and Chicago, this is just extremely odd to me b/c these cultures are a HUGE influence in those places.

To the person that said Denver is like the PNW, I definitely disagree.

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Old 12-27-2011, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Cleveland bound with MPLS in the rear-view
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Yes, I think the PNW, and the West Coast, seems very isolated from the rest of the country. My family all lives in SF now and the ONLY way I can see them is by plane.....and I call that isolated. At least, that's how it feels.
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Old 12-27-2011, 07:18 PM
 
Location: Capitol Hill - Seattle
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I'm still a bit dumbfounded by so many posters thinking the PNW or the west coast in general is so isolated. I never hear anyone saying Florida, Colorado, Texas etc are isolated, but if the measure is by the fact that you have to take a plane, how many people from NYC would actually drive to Miami, Chicago, or Denver? I'd doubt many would be up for that road trip. People in LA don't consider NY isolated, but from a travel distance perspective, it's no different. Welcome to the 21st century - the world is a very small place.
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Old 12-27-2011, 08:06 PM
 
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I'm still a bit dumbfounded by so many posters thinking the PNW or the west coast in general is so isolated. I never hear anyone saying Florida, Colorado, Texas etc are isolated, but if the measure is by the fact that you have to take a plane, how many people from NYC would actually drive to Miami, Chicago, or Denver? I'd doubt many would be up for that road trip. People in LA don't consider NY isolated, but from a travel distance perspective, it's no different. Welcome to the 21st century - the world is a very small place.
I live in St Paul, which is the end of the earth as far as the eastern half of the US is concerned. Travelling west to San Francisco, LA, Seattle or San Diego via airplane seems extremely far compared to flying east or south to NYC, Boston, DC or Atlanta. I sometimes change planes in Denver--seems like I should be on the West Coast already when I have only completed the first leg of my trip! It's the sheer size of the west that makes the trip there seem so isolated to me.
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Old 12-27-2011, 09:14 PM
 
Location: Capitol Hill - Seattle
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fair enough - that makes sense. I could appreciate that. I guess it's all a matter of perspective. When you're living in Seattle, you (or at least I) don't feel isolated. You tend to get wrapped up in your life in Cascadia, and the rest of the country falls by the wayside in a way. I'm more concerned with what's happening in Vancouver, Portland, and Victoria than what is happening in somewhere like Atlanta. When you're in the bay or in LA/SD, it's very hard to feel isolated when you drive and drive and drive and you're still in the city. California alone has so much to offer that it could literally be its own little country, and you don't necessarily need to leave if you don't want to. I suppose that could lead to a provincial way of thinking. Anywho, all perspective and where you're from I guess.
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