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Old 07-08-2014, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Rochester, NY
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5. Philadelphia (2010 Pop = 1,526,006) (2013 Pop = 1,553,165) 1.78% growth
6. Phoenix (2010 Pop = 1,445,632) (2013 Pop = 1,513,367) 4.96% Growth

Do you think Phoenix will once again overtake Philadelphia in population by 2030?




3. Chicago (2010 Pop =2,695,598) (2013 Pop =2,718,782) .86% Growth
4. Houston (2010 Pop =2,100,263) (2013 Pop =2,195,914) 4.55% Growth

By 2030, will Houston be ahead of Chicago?



73. Buffalo (2010 Pop =261,310) (2013 Pop =258,959) .90% Decrease
74. Jersey City (2010 Pop =247,597) (2013 Pop =257,342) 3.94% Increase

By 2030, will Jersey City be ahead of Buffalo?
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Old 07-08-2014, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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What do you mean once again overtake Philly? I don't think it ever actually did, it was a bunch of misinformation and hyping up by Phoenix media sources. The census over counted Phoenix by a ton, and it's possible they're doing it again.

I would be surprised if Phoenix surpassed Philadelphia, but even if it did, it would never be the bigger city.

It's easy to grow when you have 517 sq miles of city limits to surpass a city that has 134 sq miles of city limits.

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Old 07-08-2014, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Phoenix overtake Philadelphia? Yes.

Houston overtake Chicago? No but very close.

Jersey City overtake Buffalo? Yes.
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Old 07-08-2014, 08:31 PM
 
Location: Rochester, NY
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BTW, New York City posted growth faster than Los Angeles during the last 3 years.
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Old 07-08-2014, 09:30 PM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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BTW, New York City posted growth faster than Los Angeles during the last 3 years.
So basically, we really cant say what the next 5 years will bring, let alone the next 16.

It is fun to guess tho.
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Old 07-08-2014, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Rochester, NY
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Oh, and we don't know the true population of each city because of undocumented people. Phoenix is close to the Mexican border, so it is possible that more people live in Phoenix.
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Old 07-09-2014, 05:45 AM
 
Location: New York City
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What do you mean once again overtake Philly? I don't think it ever actually did, it was a bunch of misinformation and hyping up by Phoenix media sources. The census over counted Phoenix by a ton, and it's possible they're doing it again.

I would be surprised if Phoenix surpassed Philadelphia, but even if it did, it would never be the bigger city.

It's easy to grow when you have 517 sq miles of city limits to surpass a city that has 134 sq miles of city limits.
Taken into account if Philadelphia had a similar land area to Phoenix or even Houston with its current population density, there would be near 6 million people measured within city limits.

I do believe Phoenix will surpass Philadelphia in city population by 2030, but it is still an annoyance that people will automatically think Phoenix is a bigger city, when really there is no comparison between Philly and Phoenix on an urban dense highly populated city level.
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Old 07-09-2014, 06:50 AM
 
Location: Zurich, Switzerland/ Piedmont, CA
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Yeah city numbers while interesting dont tell the whole story. Did some quick calculations using 2010-2013 growth rates.

We sure are getting up there populationwise.

2023 CSAs and Largest Uncombined MSAs

New York 24,731,237
Los Angeles 19,977,909
Washington DC 10,802,997
Chicago 10,153,609
San Francisco 9,562,465
Dallas 8,575,311
Boston 8,542,276
Houston 7,901,104
Philadelphia 7,413,278
Miami 7,376,065
Atlanta 6,993,830
Detroit 5,154,738
Phoenix 5,118,399
Seattle 5,103,208
Minneapolis 4,186,406
Denver 3,936,038
San Diego 3,612,658
Orlando 3,529,130
Cleveland 3,452,516
Portland 3,369,728
Tampa 3,170,830
St Louis 2,950,353
Charlotte 2,903,394
Salt Lake City 2,800,888
San Antonio 2,755,835
Sacramento 2,715,036
Pittsburgh 2,633,337
Columbus 2,584,214
Indianapolis 2,575,234
Kansas City 2,565,963
Las Vegas 2,541,420
Austin 2,493,159
Raleigh 2,480,500

By 2030 DC, Chicago and SF should all be 10 million+

The western trio of Seattle, Phoenix and Denver should be the tier just below the 7 million+ areas by 2030. Denver is just booming right now.

Charlotte, Salt Lake City and San Antonio should surpass 3 million+ by 2030.

Austin is the only large area I found to be growing at a rate of 30%+ decade over decade which indicates a huge slow down across the country.
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Old 07-09-2014, 08:13 PM
 
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When CSA's are grouped with MSA's an asterick should be included, imo. Salt Lake, Cleveland and Orlando seem a bit high on the list.
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Old 07-09-2014, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Austin
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When CSA's are grouped with MSA's an asterick should be included, imo. Salt Lake, Cleveland and Orlando seem a bit high on the list.
I am not familiar with the details of Cleveland or Orlando so will not address them.

SLC's CSA does make sense to those familiar with the area. Salt Lake and Ogden formerly were one MSA, but were divided for some strange reason. It makes no sense, just as it makes no sense for Raleigh and Durham to be divided into two MSAs. Provo and Salt Lake have been intertwined for decades but in the last ten years or so, they have pretty much grown together. Not completely since there is a mountain partially blocking the way but very close other than that. There is considerable commuter traffic both directions for employment, entertainment, and recreation. The Wasatch Front is indeed one urban center and no asterisk is needed.
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