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Old 01-01-2012, 11:36 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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I'll do my Northeastern / Mid-Atlantic (Northeastern Megapolis) City Predictions first...


New York City : 8.1 Million (2010) > 8.6 Million (2030)

Philadelphia : 1.5 Million (2010) > 1.9 Million (2030)

Baltimore : 620,961 (2010 > 680,000 (2030)

Boston : 617,594 (2010) > 670,000 (2030)

Washington DC : 601,723 (2010) > 730,000 (2030)

Virginia Beach : 437,994 (2010) > 520,000 (2030)

Newark : 277,140 (2010) > 290,600 (2030)

Jersey City : 247,597 (2010) > 310,000 (2030)

Norfolk : 242,803 (2010) > 290,000 (2030)

Chesapeake : 222,209 (2010) > 260,000 (2030)

Transit Ridership for NJ first...

-Light Rail

Hudson Bergen Light Rail - 50,000 (2010) > 190,000 (2030)
Newark Light Rail - 21,000 (2010) > 40,000 (2030)
Riverline - 11,000 (2010) > 25,000 (2030)


-PATH - 236,000 (2010) > 300,000 (2030)

-Regional Rail

Atlantic line - 1760 (2010) > 8,000 (2030)
Northeast Corridor - 53,800 (2010) > 90,000 (2030)
North Jersey Coast line - 17,800 (2010) > 35,000 (2030)
Raritan Valley line - 12,100 (2010) > 25,000 (2030)
Main Line - 9,160 (2010) > 30,000 (2030)
Bergen County Line - 4,300 (2010) > 17,000 (2030)
Pascack Valley Line - 3,617 (2010) > 16,500 (2030)
Montclair-Boonton Line - 10,142 (2010) > 21,000 (2030)
Morristown Line - 50,000 (2010) > 75,000 (2030)
Gladstone Branch - 3036 (2010) > 6,500 (2030)

Hopefully these lines are up and running by 2030 or under Construction ...the projections are by Transit advocates / blogs and Counties , not NJT.

MOM Rail Network - 130,000
West Trenton line - 15,000
Philpsburg Connections - 30,000
Glassboro LRT - 25,000
Northwest line - 15,000
Bergen - Passaic LRT - 9,500
West Shore line - 50,000
Various Restored Essex / Hudson County lines - 25,000
Various restored South Jersey lines - 15,000

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Old 01-02-2012, 02:25 AM
 
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Am I the only one who always wanted Chicago population to be larger than LA's?
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Old 01-02-2012, 02:59 AM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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Southeastern PA / Northern Delaware Transit Ridership

Regional Rail

Warminster line - 10,000 (2010) > 17,000 (2030)
West Trenton line - 12,000 (2010) > 15,000 (2030)
Fox Chase line - 6,000 (2010) > 20,000 (2030)
Norristown line - 11,000 (2010) > 50,000 (2030)
Airport line - 7,000 (2010) > 11,000 (2030)
Chestnut Hill East line - 6,000 (2010) > 9,000 (2030)
Cynwyd line - 200 (2010) > 2,000 (2030)
Chestnut Hill West line - 6,000 (2010) > 10,000 (2030)
Lansdale / Doylestown line - 19,000 (2010) > 35,000 (2030)
Trenton line - 11,000 (2010) > 25,000 (2030)
Media / Elwyn line - 12,000 (2010) > 35,000 (2030)
Paoli / Thorndale line - 23,000 (2010) > 45,000 (2030)
Wilmington / Newark line - 9,200 (2010) > 25,000 (2030)

Urban Heavy Rail

Market - Frankford line - 180,000 (2010) > 290,000 (2030)
PATCO - 38,000 (2010) > 50,000 (2030)
Board Street line - 137,000 (2010) > 240,000 (2030)
Norristown HSL - 9,000 (2010) > 25,000 (2030)

Light Rail / Streetcars

Philly Trolley Network (15,23,56,53,6,60/Waterfront/DPRA lines) - 10,000 (2010) > 220,000 (2030)
Subway - Surface Trolleys - 110,000 (2010) > 320,000 (2030)
Suburban Trolleys - 25,000 (2010) > 45,000 (2030)
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Old 01-02-2012, 09:34 AM
 
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My list: i made up the land areas

1. NY 8.3M- Land area 302 sq miles
2. Los Angeles 4M -Land Area 475 sq miles
3. Houston 2.9M- Land Area 599 sq miles
4. Chicago 2.6M- - Land Area 230 sq miles
5. San Antonio 1.9M- Land Area 525 sq miles
6. Phoenix 1.75M - Land Area 575 sq miles
7. Philadelphia 1.6M- Land Area 135 sq miles
8. San Diego 1.4M - Land Area 350 sq miles
9. Fort Worth 1.35M - Land Area 400 sq miles
10. Austin 1.3M - Land Area 375 sq miles

runners up:
11. Dallas- 1.25M
12. Charlotte 1.2M
13. San Jose 1.1M
14. Detroit 1.1M
15. Jacksonville 1M
16. Indianapolis 1M
17. El Paso 900K
18. San Francisco 800K
19. DC 700K
20. Memphis 700K
You think Detroit is going to gain 400,000 people, that is not going to happen, maybe 75,000 and thats optimistic.
I'd give Detroit a better chance of falling below 500,000 than rising above 1,000,000
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Old 01-02-2012, 11:27 AM
 
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You think Detroit is going to gain 400,000 people, that is not going to happen, maybe 75,000 and thats optimistic.
I'd give Detroit a better chance of falling below 500,000 than rising above 1,000,000
Yep. Detroit is coming back; With a Vengeance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Watchout.

BTW, we all know why Detroit stopped growing, but think back to one of the reasons why Detroit grew.

Let me give you a hint:

http://sustainabledetroit.org/wp-con...rowth-map1.jpg or http://detroit1701.org/Graphics/Annexation.jpg


The City slowed mainly because people started moving out to the burbs and the city stopped doing this ^^ to get them back.

Detroit's population peaked a decade or so after its last annexation. Northeast cities like to think of cities borders remaining the same and growth occurring by simply births and people coming in. Detroit and many Midwest cities grew just like any sunbelt town.

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Old 01-02-2012, 12:02 PM
 
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Yep. Detroit is coming back; With a Vengeance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Watchout.

BTW, we all know why Detroit stopped growing, but think back to one of the reasons why Detroit grew.

Let me give you a hint:

http://sustainabledetroit.org/wp-con...rowth-map1.jpg or http://detroit1701.org/Graphics/Annexation.jpg


The City slowed mainly because people started moving out to the burbs and the city stopped doing this ^^ to get them back.

Detroit's population peaked a decade or so after its last annexation. Northeast cities like to think of cities borders remaining the same and growth occurring by simply births and people coming in. Detroit and many Midwest cities grew just like any sunbelt town.
So after losing 25% of its population in 10 years you think its going to gain `40% in 20 years? there is no way thats going to happen, and metro Detroit Lost population from 2000-2010 also.
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Old 01-02-2012, 12:10 PM
 
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So after losing 25% of its population in 10 years you think its going to gain `40% in 20 years? there is no way thats going to happen, and metro Detroit Lost population from 2000-2010 also.
you are still thinking inside the box
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Old 01-02-2012, 12:32 PM
 
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you are still thinking inside the box
Most people call that logic, even Boston has only gained 80,000 since it bottomed out in the 80s
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Old 01-02-2012, 12:39 PM
 
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Most people call that logic, even Boston has only gained 80,000 since it bottomed out in the 80s
nah, most people would call that non creative thinking
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Old 01-02-2012, 04:16 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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Lower Hudson Valley / Connecticut

Regional Rail

-New Haven line : 112,000 (2010) > 150,000 (2030)
-New Canaan Branch : 4,000 (2010) > 6,400 (2030)
-Danbury Branch : 1,400 (2010) > 11,500 (2030)
-Waterbury Branch : 800 (2010) > 4,700 (2030)

-Hudson line : 47,000 (2010) > 50,000 (2030)
-Harlem line : 45,000 (2010) > 80,000 (2030)
-New Haven line Extension : 45,000 (2030)
-Hudson line Extension to Penn Station : 17,000 (2030)
-West Shore line : 50,000 (2030)
-Beacon line : 4,700 (2030)
-Maybrook line : 4,200 (2030)

-Port Jervis line : 3,800 (2010) > 12,900 (2030)

Streetcars

New Haven Network - 45,000 (2030)
Stamford Network - 30,000 (2030)
Bridgeport Network - 30,000 (2030)
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