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Old 03-05-2012, 11:09 AM
 
Location: Pueblo, CO
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I really agree with this.

Olympia has about 47,000 people and has the sort of vibe that you are looking for.
One of the wettest cities in the NW. But it is pretty conservative.
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Old 03-05-2012, 11:43 AM
 
Location: United States of America
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Here's my opinion:

Forget about weather and everything else. You want liberal...well then here ya go girl! And I am only bringing up major U.S. cities. Hope this helps.

If you are well-off: Seattle

If you got a good career, but don't want to spend a lot of money on living: Portland

If you have a money tree: San Francisco.

I love SF, but PDX is a cool town that is very friendly and perfect for liberal families among all the libby towns.

If you want rural try Humboldt (Rio Dell is a great small liberal town for families), Santa Cruz, ummmm.....yeah that's all I got.
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Old 03-05-2012, 11:47 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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The only two states I have ever lived in is Pennsylvania and southern New Jersey. Both are pretty nice states and both have their pros and cons. Also me and my entire family are also ultra liberal.
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Old 03-06-2012, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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Hanoi, Havana, and Caracas would fit the ideology and warm weather desired; Peking the ideology, but not the weather.
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Old 03-06-2012, 05:17 PM
 
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How is the current job market, (other than those in the IT industry), in Portland?
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Old 03-07-2012, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Everyone thinks the west is so liberal, but in fact, the west is the most conservative region of the country, with the exception of the few liberal bastions right on the coast (San Fran, Seattle, Portland). More conservative than the south, if you can believe that. Believe it or not, the most liberal part of the country is the midwest, or the great lakes region specifically.

If you're liberal, it's hard to fit in, because the vast majority of Americans are conservative. Gallup does surveys on this. It's kind of interesting if you want to know the political leanings of your neighbors: Mississippi Most Conservative State, D.C. Most Liberal

Also interesting for your research is the 2012 Republican primary race. Now, I know they're Republicans, and as Republicans they aren't so liberal, and you might not care what they think, but it's interesting because the 3 front runners in the race: Santorum, Romney, and Paul, are all so different. So you can look at the election results, by county, and see what the attitudes are in that county based on who they voted for in the primary. Of course, not all the states have held their elections yet, but for the ones that have, it's interesting. Santorum is very socially conservative, so any county that voted for Santorum, you'd probably not feel very welcome in. Romney is more moderate, so a county that voted for Romney you could assume might be more moderate or liberal (if the Republicans are moderate, then there's probably more Democrats and liberals in general). And Paul hasn't won nearly as many counties as the other 2, but he's more libertarian, so any county that did vote for him is probably more libertarian. Anyway, I just think the Republican Primary is providing some interesting data on social and political attitudes by county.


I would say, stay in the midwest. I think the west is way over-rated. With the exception of a few ultra liberal towns on the west coast, it's a very conservative place. Plus, the west has been growing too fast. Any place where the population has been growing faster than the economy, you're going to have a problem finding jobs. If you can find a place where the economy is growing faster than the population, jobs should be easier to come by. Michigan has a weak economy, so people are leaving that state. I think it's the only state with negative population growth. So that right there peaks my interest in the state. Ann Arbor is a pretty cool town, worth a look in my opinion. Some suburbs of Detroit too, are some of the best kept secrets in America, I think. Flourishing arts and music scene. And genuine. A lot of arts and music scenes are phony and wannabe, but real art comes from pain and suffering in my opinion, and the Detroit area has had a lot of that, so you can find some real genuine art there. Really cool place. And no one knows about it. Those are the places that get me interested. I believe in not following the herd. If everyone else is doing something, it makes me not want to do it.
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Old 03-07-2012, 04:35 PM
 
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Everyone thinks the west is so liberal, but in fact, the west is the most conservative region of the country, with the exception of the few liberal bastions right on the coast (San Fran, Seattle, Portland). More conservative than the south, if you can believe that. Believe it or not, the most liberal part of the country is the midwest, or the great lakes region specifically.

If you're liberal, it's hard to fit in, because the vast majority of Americans are conservative. Gallup does surveys on this. It's kind of interesting if you want to know the political leanings of your neighbors: Mississippi Most Conservative State, D.C. Most Liberal

Also interesting for your research is the 2012 Republican primary race. Now, I know they're Republicans, and as Republicans they aren't so liberal, and you might not care what they think, but it's interesting because the 3 front runners in the race: Santorum, Romney, and Paul, are all so different. So you can look at the election results, by county, and see what the attitudes are in that county based on who they voted for in the primary. Of course, not all the states have held their elections yet, but for the ones that have, it's interesting. Santorum is very socially conservative, so any county that voted for Santorum, you'd probably not feel very welcome in. Romney is more moderate, so a county that voted for Romney you could assume might be more moderate or liberal (if the Republicans are moderate, then there's probably more Democrats and liberals in general). And Paul hasn't won nearly as many counties as the other 2, but he's more libertarian, so any county that did vote for him is probably more libertarian. Anyway, I just think the Republican Primary is providing some interesting data on social and political attitudes by county.


I would say, stay in the midwest. I think the west is way over-rated. With the exception of a few ultra liberal towns on the west coast, it's a very conservative place. Plus, the west has been growing too fast. Any place where the population has been growing faster than the economy, you're going to have a problem finding jobs. If you can find a place where the economy is growing faster than the population, jobs should be easier to come by. Michigan has a weak economy, so people are leaving that state. I think it's the only state with negative population growth. So that right there peaks my interest in the state. Ann Arbor is a pretty cool town, worth a look in my opinion. Some suburbs of Detroit too, are some of the best kept secrets in America, I think. Flourishing arts and music scene. And genuine. A lot of arts and music scenes are phony and wannabe, but real art comes from pain and suffering in my opinion, and the Detroit area has had a lot of that, so you can find some real genuine art there. Really cool place. And no one knows about it. Those are the places that get me interested. I believe in not following the herd. If everyone else is doing something, it makes me not want to do it.
NO WAY the Midwest is more liberal than California. Absolutely NOT.

The Bay Area is the bastion of liberalism in the country. The LA Metro is pretty liberal for the most part. The coast of California is pretty liberal. Sacramento is a liberal city, though half of the suburbs here are more conservative. San Diego is half and half while most of the conservatives are mainly fiscal conservatives. Not to mention the hippie communities in the remote parts of Northern CA. California is BY FAR the most liberal state. There is just no comparison with the Midwest. You are really off your rocker there.
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Old 03-07-2012, 07:45 PM
 
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Like I said, Eugene.
Eugene, OR
Olympia, WA
Bellingham, WA *

* 20 miles from the Canadian border, and just a little further to Vancouver BC, so when you want to hang up being hippy-dippy (j/k) for a while, you can go urban and cosmopolitan in a very large international city.
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Old 03-07-2012, 09:47 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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NO WAY the Midwest is more liberal than California. Absolutely NOT.

The Bay Area is the bastion of liberalism in the country. The LA Metro is pretty liberal for the most part. The coast of California is pretty liberal. Sacramento is a liberal city, though half of the suburbs here are more conservative. San Diego is half and half while most of the conservatives are mainly fiscal conservatives. Not to mention the hippie communities in the remote parts of Northern CA. California is BY FAR the most liberal state. There is just no comparison with the Midwest. You are really off your rocker there.
OK, I knew I should have included sources in my post about the midwest being more liberal than the west, because I assumed somebody would accuse me of being "off my rocker," because for some reason, everyone thinks the west is so liberal. So I found my source, and it says that the northeast is actually the most liberal part of the country, so I was wrong about it being the midwest. The midwest is actually the second most liberal part of the country. The south is the most conservative, and the west is the second most conservative. I have to find it, but I thought I read somewhere that the west is the most socially conservative region, social conservatism differing from political or economic. So, ok, there we go. As for California, it has some liberal towns, but it has some extremely conservative towns too. This is afterall a state that voted to ban gay marriage.

From the Bay Area Center for Voting Research's "The Most Conservative and Liberal Cities in the United States" (Link here: http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/statesman/...081205libs.pdf)...

"Despite being characterized nationally as a universally liberal state,
our findings show that many cities in California are extremely conservative, especially in the southern and inland portions of the state. Six California cities are on BACVR’s list of the twenty five most conservative cities in America."

and...

"San Francisco has long been tagged as the most liberal city in the country, however BACVR research now shatters this myth. San Francisco ranks a distant ninth place on the list of America’s most liberal cities, falling behind lesser know cities such as Gary, Indiana and Newark, New Jersey. San Francisco is not even the most liberal city in the Bay Area, ranking
below Berkeley and Oakland."

According to the BACVR report, Detroit, MI is the most liberal city in America, followed by Gary, IN, followed by Berkeley, CA.

As to your quote "California is BY FAR the most liberal state," it's actually the 10th most liberal state according to Gallup. So it's up there, but not quite the top. That data can be found here: Mississippi Rates as the Most Conservative U.S. State
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