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Old 01-11-2012, 09:20 PM
 
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The south never really industrialized. It relied on agriculture and cheap slave labor. Not very attractive to the industrialist of the 19th and early 20th century.

Furthermore, as other people said the state was really hurt after the civil war.
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Old 01-11-2012, 09:27 PM
 
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this is not about nashville and its 13 or 14 counties, it is about major southern cities, and memphis proper, alone, is larger than davidson county, and nashville combined. shelby county has slightly more than 1 million w/in the county, and approximately 1.2 mil in its contiguous urban area, and that covers about 25 miles from the city center.

lol, you don't get to make up your own borders. Again, Atlanta has less population in the city limits than Memphis or Nashville. City limit populations mean nothing. Also, Nashville is growing at twice the rate of Memphis, so Memphis is getting further behind, not catching up.

Nashville MSA-1.7 Million

Memphis MSA- 1.3 Million

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This makes Memphis the second largest metropolitan area in Tennessee, surpassed only by metropolitan Nashville, which has overtaken Memphis in recent years.
Memphis, Tennessee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 01-11-2012, 09:48 PM
 
Location: District of Columbia
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Civil War reconstruction.
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Old 01-12-2012, 03:32 PM
 
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Not very attractive to the industrialist of the 19th and early 20th century.
True, but that cheap slave labor helped finance the industrialization of the North. I remember a few years ago when all those news stories were popping up about these current banks whose predecessor institutions used the "peculiar institution" for capitalization purposes.
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Old 01-12-2012, 05:48 PM
 
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True, but that cheap slave labor helped finance the industrialization of the North. I remember a few years ago when all those news stories were popping up about these current banks whose predecessor institutions used the "peculiar institution" for capitalization purposes.
Im not going to argue, initially yes. Once industrialization started slavery was actually a hinderance to industrial growth. That was the real reason of the civil war. The North wanted the country to be an industrialized economy while the south wanted an agrarian slave economy. At a certain point they cannot coexist.
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Old 01-12-2012, 08:40 PM
 
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Im not going to argue, initially yes. Once industrialization started slavery was actually a hinderance to industrial growth. That was the real reason of the civil war. The North wanted the country to be an industrialized economy while the south wanted an agrarian slave economy. At a certain point they cannot coexist.
I agree.
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Old 01-12-2012, 08:42 PM
 
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this is not about nashville and its 13 or 14 counties, it is about major southern cities, and memphis proper, alone, is larger than davidson county, and nashville combined. shelby county has slightly more than 1 million w/in the county, and approximately 1.2 mil in its contiguous urban area, and that covers about 25 miles from the city center.
1) Nashville's MSA has 13 counties, but the majority of the population is concentrated in 5 counties. Those 5 counties have a greater population than Memphis's MSA.

Nashville's core 5 counties - 1,347,105 in 2,806 sq mi
Memphis's entire 8 counties - 1,316,100 in 4,578 sq mi

2) As of 2010, Shelby county had a population of 927,644. That's not "a little more than 1 million"...that's 72,000 less than 1 million. And no, in 1.5 years, it has not grown by that amount. Not even remotely close.

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my numbers are correct and they stand. davidson county might have 1.7 million, if you are including mid-ky. otherwise, it is 200,000 less. remember, you can't count the cows, pigs, and chickens in rural hills, even when you're wearing your boots and hats, gitty up!
Your numbers aren't correct. They haven't been correct at any point in your existence. I'm not sure where you get them from, but they certainly don't come from official or reputable sources.

It should also be noted that while Shelby County is considerably larger in population, it is also considerably larger in land area.

(These are official numbers, btw, so don't bother disputing them)

Shelby County - 927,644 (2010) - 763.17 sq mi - 1,215.5 ppsm

Davidson County - 626,681 (2010) - 504.03 sq mi - 1,243.3 ppsm

So if Davidson County has cows, pigs, chickens, et al, taking up the rural landscape, what does rural Shelby have?
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Old 01-13-2012, 02:17 PM
 
Location: One of the 13 original colonies.
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why are Charleston and Savannah not major southern cities?



In my personal opinion........they are.
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Old 01-13-2012, 09:58 PM
 
Location: Atlanta the Beautiful
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Because they fight progress every step of the way imo.
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Old 01-15-2012, 04:09 AM
 
Location: Jefferson City 4 days a week, St. Louis 3 days a week
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That's not actually true. Both Birmingham and Atlanta were major industrial cities for much of the 20th century/they're existence. In fact, that's the only reason those two cities came into existence was the industrial revolution and railroads. With Atlanta however, it started to convert it's economy away from industrial around the 1950s and avoided the collapse of the manufacturing industry that occurred in the Rustbelt cities. Birmingham didn't and went through the same problems the Rustbelt cities have.
First off, Atlanta is very unique, and in many ways unusual for a Southern city. Birmingham's steel economy is as much of an anomaly. How these cities came into existence is very different from the ones I mentioned above. In any case, culturally these two cities do not share any commonalities with the ones I mentioned and are not part of the same region.
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