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Old 02-03-2012, 08:01 PM
Location: Montgomery County, MD
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America is slowly becoming like Europe. There, the city cores are the most desirable places to live and the outskirts are the ghetto. There will obviously be majority minority areas still but they may get pushed out and inner suburbs go bad. It's happened a great deal in DC where crime has plummeted in DC but skyrocketed in neighboring Prince George's County where many of the poor blacks pushed out by gentrification have moved.

A lot of cities won't gentrify, ones where educated young people have no reason to move to like Laredo or Buffalo but most will, at least in the most central part of the city.
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Old 02-03-2012, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Dale the male View Post
Gentrification is a damn shame as it spreads around undesirabletypes of people to places where they just don't belong. Its a contributing factor along with the government insisting that every community let in section 8 residents.
There are lots of rich people who I would find "undesirable." There are also many poor people who are not "undesirable."
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Old 02-03-2012, 09:31 PM
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For awhile now people have actually tried to save suburbs by promoting smarter growth and creating public transportation, but the people living in the suburbs actually rejected it due to 'socialism' or 'freedom to drive a car," or some other nonsense. The real force against these things are developers who want to make a ton of money making low quality generic McMansions without regulation, or care of the problems they make. They pay politicians to get their way and politicians whip voters into a frenzy. Ironically the voters are pooping where they eat.

There is this, but suburbs have more woes. First, energy is going to continue to climb. Driving around will continue to be expensive, and inefficient suburbs will become more undesirable.

The federal, and state governments, are becoming hostile to building new infrastructure and maintaining old infrastructure. Congestion will continue to get worse, even as people flee the suburbs.

Finally, they are not desirable. There is a generation of kids who grew up in boring McHouses coming off age who dont want to live the same miserable way their parents did. They saw their parents go crazy from sitting in traffic, remember not knowing any of their neighbors, saw the soul crushing lifelessness of suburbs, and remember the boredom.

People counter, "when they have kids they will need to move for a better school district." These people tend to be older and forget that younger people dont think like them. Instead of running from a problem and hiding from it in a McMansion and watching Jersey Shore to forget their problems younger people are trying to make the world a better place. That means improving things, something lost on the selfish suburban attitude.

Finally, City schools will improve as cities become wealthy from gentrification, and suburban schools will become the new inner city public schools.
Good post, and I have to highlight the "socialism" bit: the ironic part is that the creation of American suburbia was one of the most federally subsidized, "socialist" projects in American history.

What people are really saying is, "I want socialism for myself, but not for people I don't like."
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