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Old 01-22-2012, 02:03 PM
 
Location: The State Of California
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San Francisco isn't centralized, its not even the largest city in its metro.
San Francisco is in the top 3 most Centralized Cities in America , and a Alpha World Class City....San Jose CA the largest city in the Bay Area is a Gamma World Class City about 7 or 8 levels below San Francisco.
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Old 01-22-2012, 02:17 PM
 
Location: The City
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San Francisco is in the top 3 most Centralized Cities in America , and a Alpha World Class City....San Jose CA the largest city in the Bay Area is a Gamma World Class City about 7 or 8 levels below San Francisco.
It is a Texas perspective on cities, thinking SJ is the larger urban area and even remotely more centralized...
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Old 01-22-2012, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Most centralized include: NY, Chicago, Boston, and DC (although DC is changing).

Least include: Phoenix, LA, Raleigh, probably the Texas cities.

Unlike most here, I think that "least centralized" is the best model as long as the city is built densely. Like where DC and LA are headed.
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Old 01-22-2012, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Katy-zuela
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It is a Texas perspective on cities, thinking SJ is the larger urban area and even remotely more centralized...
Actually the Bay Area is balkanized. SF is the center of the Peninsula (West Bay), Oakland is the center of the East Bay, and San Josť is the center of the South Bay (Silicon Valley). Los Angeles is centralized despite the influence of Orange County. This only makes sense if we can define centralized--in this instance is the polycentric model of sprawl or the lack of it.

If we were to apply your definition of centralization to Houston and Dallas, then yes they are both decentralized. But Houston still lacks polycentricity while Dallas (or more properly DFW) is polycentric, no matter which definition you use. Edge cities do not define polycentricity; they are merely new developments such as the Ayala Triangle or the newer Bonifacio Global City in Makati (Metropolitan Manila) versus Quiapo (old downtown comparable to the New Orleans CBD--not the French Quarter).

I think that the OP improperly used centralization when evaluating the sprawly cities of the South and West versus the older compact cities of the North/East.
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Old 01-22-2012, 05:54 PM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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So you're saying Dallas is even less so than Houston? Is that even possible? lol
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Old 01-23-2012, 10:23 AM
 
Location: The land of sugar... previously Houston and Austin
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So you're saying Dallas is even less so than Houston? Is that even possible? lol
Once again, you are still bashing Houston even though you have said yourself that you are ignorant and outdated on it. What gives?

Does the fact that Dallas is often referred to as DFW rather than Dallas not give a hint? Of course it's less centralized. Everything from the sports venues to the locations of the Fortune 500s and HQ companies... look how many have Dallas addresses as opposed to Arlington, Plano, Fort Worth, etc.
Then contrast that to the same for Houston.
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Old 01-23-2012, 10:29 AM
 
Location: The City
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Once again, you are still bashing Houston even though you have said yourself that you are ignorant and outdated on it. What gives?

Does the fact that Dallas is often referred to as DFW rather than Dallas not give a hint? Of course it's less centralized. Everything from the sports venues to the locations of the Fortune 500s and HQ companies... look how many have Dallas addresses as opposed to Arlington, Plano, Fort Worth, etc.
Then contrast that to the same for Houston.

DFW may be moreso but that doesnt dimish the fact that Houston is not really centralized in a traditional sense. Everything IS very spread out and not cohesive in Houston. That is fine but stop trying to make it out for something it isnt. This is what to me is the most rediculous thing about Houston posters, people make it out to be everything, it isnt, is fine for what it is but centralized is not a word that comes remotely close to describing Houston
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Old 01-23-2012, 10:57 AM
 
Location: The land of sugar... previously Houston and Austin
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That is fine but stop trying to make it out for something it isnt.
I'm not, but people should at least know what they are talking about instead of just pulling things out of the air. Maybe if there wasn't so much of that and bashing on here, you wouldn't hear as often from "Houston posters" who get tired of it all.
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Old 01-23-2012, 11:21 AM
 
Location: Up on the moon laughing down on you
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It is a Texas perspective on cities, thinking SJ is the larger urban area and even remotely more centralized...
Texas perspective? Speak for one poster dude, stop your silly nonsense of painting everything with your overly broad brush.
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So you're saying Dallas is even less so than Houston? Is that even possible? lol
If you know little about these areas, please don't make silly comments like this.
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Old 02-16-2012, 03:56 PM
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Centralized cities would be Houston, San Antonio, Phoenix, OKC, Atlanta, Chicago, etc.
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Decentralized cities would be San Francisco, Los Angeles, Dallas, Minneapolis, etc.



I thought he was trying to be funny at first, but it all depends on your definition of centralized. As someone else said, San Francisco, Dallas, Minneapolis and LA are very poly-centric.

Houston, San Antonio and Chicago very much revolve around a single core. I wouldn't really include Atlanta in that category and haven't been in Phoenix or OKC recently enough to comment.

Now if you are talking about sprawl vs. compactness, Houston, San Antonio and San Francisco would switch categories.
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