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Old 03-03-2012, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Bellingham, WA
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You live in Bellingham, WA and you've never been to Canada? You could practically walk there from Bellingham.
No passport currently, though I do plan to get one and when I do I'll definitely visit Vancouver.

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These are generalizations which describe cultural preferences and do not, of course, apply to every individual within the culture. For example, before I retired, I typically took three week vacations and on two occasions took 4 week vacations. I was the only person in my department who ever took more than two weeks at a time, however, and most coworkers typically took a a week at a a time or less.

And further to your post, naturally those little money overall will not be a able to spend lavishly on possessions or travel, regardless of where they live.
That's why I said "many" Europeans, not "all" Europeans.
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Old 03-03-2012, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Manhattan
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Aside from money and vacation time, I think another problem is the limited mindset that many people have here when it comes to travel. It seems like a lot of people only consider Western Europe as legitimate travel destinations. In addition, many Americans are uncomfortable with the idea of staying in hostels and getting around foreign cities via public transportation. If you're only considering London or Paris, of course food and sights are going to be expensive. Of course hotels of American standards will be expensive. Of course paying for those bus city tours and taxis will be expensive. Many people here overlook the possibilities of going to Latin America (aside from beach resorts, that is). Last year, plenty of people thought I was absolutely CRAZY for going to Colombia with my girlfriend. They all legitimately thought we were putting our lives in dangers by traveling there. We booked our flights for just under 500 dollars each, and with all other costs, we each spent under 1000 bucks total for a full week there. There was not a single moment in that trip where we didn't feel safe, and it was just as fun and just as culturally enriching as any trip I've taken to Europe. I think a lot of people need to open their minds and realize that London, Paris, and Rome aren't the only good travel destinations out there.

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Old 03-03-2012, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Florida
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And it is because a particular major political party considers it un-American and socialism if the Fed Govt were to mandate a minimum amount of vacation time for all US employees. I happen to disagree, but it seems the majority of Americans don't agree with me. We will never get more time off until the govt mandates it. Plain and simple. Most Americans seem to enjoy their 3 day weekends for road trips, while everywhere else people enjoy 4 weeks off for a summer holiday. Just read international travel blogs for a comparison. Seems the only Americans taking long holidays are either retired, or students. Everyone else is working for their two weeks off, taken one week at a time.
This is the main reason why I vowed to never work a regular job again. I may have made more money before with more security, but I can travel when I want now and have more time, which is far more important to me than money. I don't own a television or have cable, I have a prepaid cell phone, I have a relatively crap 90s model car I bought for under 2000 bucks in cash, and it gets about 40mpg, while most people need to drop 25k on a prius to think they are "saving" and I don't have much space in my place, all my furniture was either free or cheap off craigslist, I get my haircuts by students for cheap, and many other *frugal* things. People always ask *how do you travel and afford it so much*... well there is your answer, I don't live like you. I'm also an atheist, which seems taboo in much of America still, while in Europe it's much more acceptable. I only mention this, as I think this stance would make people want to live life and explore the world more, instead of waiting around for some after life.
I am a stringer journalist and occasionally handle web design as well. I have other aspirations, but they aren't the *career* type jobs most americans covet.

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Old 03-04-2012, 01:18 AM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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As Ronnie said, that works great if you happen to be a top-level applicant who's got multiple companies vying for them... if you're an average worker who's just trying to get a job in our rebounding but still-not-quite-there-yet economy, demanding three times the vacation offered, you can kiss the job offer goodbye. The next guy or gal who walks through the door will be happy to take one week vacation just to have a job, and chances are good that you would rather take the money to keep your rent or mortgage paid and food on your table, maybe catch up on the debt piled on while unemployed, than look forward to a three-week, pan-Australasian vacation next year!
Doesn't anyone see this is how they keep us in line. I'm telling you, unless the govt forces it, we will never get time off like Europeans. On the other hand, it will probably never happen, cause the US was founded by crazies(the religious pilgrims). We will never be like Canada, Australia, or Europe. The only way this would happen would be if the US were to finally realize we all don't belong together, and break apart.
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Old 03-04-2012, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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For me, it's mostly money. I would love to see England and The Netherlands, the countries from which my ancestors came. I would also love to visit Argentina, and I'm not sure exactly why, lol. It's a place I have always wanted to go. I can't justify going into debt to spend thousands of dollars for a trip, though.

Another reason that I don't think anyone has mentioned that might keep people away is that we constantly hear stories about how foreigners--Europeans in particular--hate Americans. Why spend your money in a country full of people who carry preconceived prejudices about you?
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Old 03-04-2012, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Center City
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Another reason that I don't think anyone has mentioned that might keep people away is that we constantly hear stories about how foreigners--Europeans in particular--hate Americans. Why spend your money in a country full of people who carry preconceived prejudices about you?
I have bolded the operative words in your post. Ironically, that conceit is actually the pre-conceived prejudice you mention. As one who has traveled extensively through Europe, I have not experienced anti-American bias, let alone "hate."
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Old 03-04-2012, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Coastal New Jersey
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I have bolded the operative words in your post. Ironically, that conceit is actually the pre-conceived prejudice you mention. As one who has traveled extensively through Europe, I have not experienced anti-American bias, let alone "hate."
Hehehe, good point. And I'm sure it has to do with the individual.

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Old 03-04-2012, 09:57 AM
 
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2 big reasons...

It's expensive

and USA is very diverse, you really don't have to go anywhere else

Mountains, forests, deserts, nightlife, amusement parks, beaches
everything you can think of...
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Old 03-04-2012, 10:33 AM
 
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I think a lot of Americans think it's a LOT harder than it actually is to travel overseas. Especially Europe. People speak english there, it's not really that expensive and there's a ton of stuff to do. It's a 7 hour flight from Chicago or less from the east coast. Not really that bad at all.

I just spent 6 days in Florence, Italy in a hotel in the middle of the city and spent less than $1,000 on the plane ticket and hotel combined.

I'm going back to Barcelona and Morocco for 10 days in April and probably spent less than $1,750 on the whole thing.

The prices are way less than you'd think. Of course the flights use to be much cheaper. Back in the early 2000's you could get a round trip ticket for $350 to Europe!!! I miss those days - I use to take weekend trips to Amsterdam and London every few months.
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Old 03-04-2012, 11:36 AM
 
Location: Edmond, OK
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I think a lot of Americans think it's a LOT harder than it actually is to travel overseas. Especially Europe. People speak english there, it's not really that expensive and there's a ton of stuff to do. It's a 7 hour flight from Chicago or less from the east coast. Not really that bad at all.

I just spent 6 days in Florence, Italy in a hotel in the middle of the city and spent less than $1,000 on the plane ticket and hotel combined.

I'm going back to Barcelona and Morocco for 10 days in April and probably spent less than $1,750 on the whole thing.

The prices are way less than you'd think. Of course the flights use to be much cheaper. Back in the early 2000's you could get a round trip ticket for $350 to Europe!!! I miss those days - I use to take weekend trips to Amsterdam and London every few months.
That's great if you live in one of those cities, but the fact is, most of us do not. We still have to get there and that's not always cheap or easy. Even though I live in a city with a major airport, I still have to fly to Houston, Dallas or Chicago to leave the country. That adds several hours of travel time in itself. Any so many people have to go a long distance just to get to a place with an airport. It all eats away at your travel time and your money.
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