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Old 03-05-2012, 03:33 PM
 
Location: Connecticut/ON, Canada
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I'd love to travel to Europe, but I'm poor haha.

A lot us don't have the money right now.
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Old 03-05-2012, 03:55 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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Why do so many Europeans complain about Americans?
Serious question
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Old 03-05-2012, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Bellingham, WA
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One thing I've wished for is to travel cheaply by ship. I'd heard of people travelling as passengers on cargo ships, but when I investigated that it turned out to be at least as expensive as air travel, but obviously taking considerably longer. If it was dirt cheap it might be worth the extra time in transit, at least to me (Assuming I could arrange more time in the first place)
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Old 03-05-2012, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Center City
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Why do so many Europeans complain about Americans?
Serious question
If it's truly a serious question and not a bait, I don't think Europeans complain any more about us that we do about them. "Freedom Fries" or "European-style" socialism anyone? And if you think they complain about us, you should see how they complain about each other: Ask a Dutch person about the Germans or ask a French person about the Brits. And on and on . . .

Folks from different tribes like to think of ways to make them feel better about themselves. Always have. Always will. Nothing new here.
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Old 03-05-2012, 04:24 PM
 
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It is a money issue. I know people who have barely been anywhere because they could never afford it. Not everybody gets to do that, though hopefully one day they will.
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Old 03-05-2012, 04:53 PM
 
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Heck even the passport can get expensive let alone the new clothes, plane tickets, hotels, etc etc.

The long wait just to get on the plane and all the searching. Plus anyone who has medicine they need to take good luck with that too. Not that I mind the extra security it's to keep everyone safe but still not everyone can stand that long.

Passports are good though when it comes to cruises the lines not too long to stand and wait in.

I bet it gets to the point where everyone has to have a passport and I wouldn't be surprised it that becomes used more often in the future for ID instead of our drivers license.

If we file for and get a passport in whatever state does all that information on the form go to all locations where passports can be obtained?
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Old 03-05-2012, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Heck even the passport can get expensive let alone the new clothes, plane tickets, hotels, etc etc.

The long wait just to get on the plane and all the searching. Plus anyone who has medicine they need to take good luck with that too. Not that I mind the extra security it's to keep everyone safe but still not everyone can stand that long.

Passports are good though when it comes to cruises the lines not too long to stand and wait in.

I bet it gets to the point where everyone has to have a passport and I wouldn't be surprised it that becomes used more often in the future for ID instead of our drivers license.

If we file for and get a passport in whatever state does all that information on the form go to all locations where passports can be obtained?
Hmm... what?

But I think I highlighted America's more materialist mindset... Can't go on a vacation, have to have new clothes first!

BTW passports are for 10 years... that is a whopping 15 bucks a year to be able to travel overseas.
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Old 03-05-2012, 05:33 PM
 
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Does America have this:


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Um, no, but we do have New York City, Hollywood, Las Vegas, deserts, ski slopes, mountains, oceans, and virtually anything you can want.

Obviously, we don't have monuments that are unique to certain parts of the world, but we do have a little bit of everything, especially for people who don't have thousands of dollars to go see the Sphinx, they can see a replica in Las Vegas at the Luxor.

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Yes...indeed.


People on this thread keep saying America has everything... Uhh, no... it doesn't. It is missing this thing called cultural immersion in another country. Different history, different outlooks, different laws, etc. etc.
Yeah, but once again, how much time does it take to become immersed in another country. It's a ***** to travel thousands of miles. You would need at least a good 2 or 3 weeks to truly become immersed in someplace and experience all of that cultural stuff. A few days isn't going to cut it and like I said, only highly paid, specialized Americans get a month or more off from work to go and play around places, the rest of us don't want to spend 1 or 2 days traveling on the way there and back, with only 3 or 4 days to see the sights without the time to get used to the cultural differences.

At least if I go to Las Vegas, I'm in my country where I speak the language, and so does just about everybody else, I can be back home in about 2 or 3 hours by plane, I can see the sights for a few hundred bucks without worries about conversion rates and different laws and stuff like that.

You need TIME and Americans just don't have the time to be running around the world playing.

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I travel a lot too, and I consider it to be one of the things in life that I look forward to the most. It's not that difficult, but many people would rather spend money on cars, home electronics, home improvement, and so on... I've had managers who take the same trip with their family to the Oregon Coast every year(or maybe a trip to Vegas), but are bewildered that I'm some how able to fly to Morocco, Chile, Panama, Japan, etc on a relatively modest salary. It's not that hard and to a lot of destinations while you might have the shell out a $1500 or more on a plane ticket, once you get to Southeast Asia or much of Latin America it's much cheaper than anywhere in the US by far.

Ironically I know people who consider international travel too expensive and then end up spending several thousand on taking their kids to an overpriced place like Disney World for week or even spend close to a grand on a short trip to Vegas. I travel by looking for budget flights months in advance, stay in cheaper small inns and b&bs(or even hostels), eat where the locals eat and stay away from the expensive tourist joints. I've gone on trips to places like Guatemala that with my paid vacation time, I probably spent less money than I'd spend in a normal week in Portland. It might not be for everyone, but I'm friends and family with tons of experienced travelers who are still exploring the world, even at older ages or with families.
But once again, we American's don't get to set our vacation periods, our corporate overlords do. If I get a week off from work, I don't want to spend 2 or 3 of those whole days traveling to where I'm going and getting back, with only a few days to enjoy myself, while staying in either really expensive places that are nice, or cheap places that suck and I may not be able to drink the water, I have to worry about conversion rates, different rules, laws, languages, etc. . . .

It's not about prioritizing. It'd be different if the average American could walk into work and say, "I need 2 weeks off to go to Europe" or something. If you work and aren't making 6 or 7 figures, you basically have no job security. There's always somebody willing to work more hours for less, so you don't want to be gone for too long.

If I go to Walt-Disney world, I'm in my country, it usually takes less than a half a day to get there and back, I speak the language, I know the rules, I can actually enjoy myself and my family without being afraid of getting stuck in some strange land or passports, etc. . .

And to be honest, I don't know anybody who can just blow thousands in Vegas or Walt Disney world in this economic climate. I might go to Great America for an afternoon in the summer or be able to take a few days to visit relatives, but even taking the type of vacations you're talking about in America are becoming obsolete, because of the job climate.

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Old 03-05-2012, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Living in Hampton, VA
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In my opinion, I feel that americans for the most part do not want to go anywhere that doesn't require driving a car at some point. I want to travel overseas but due to to financial constraints, I cannot at this time. As soon as I get a passport, I'm going straight to Amsterdam for 5 days.
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Old 03-05-2012, 07:00 PM
 
Location: Center City
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Um, no, but we do have New York City, Hollywood, Las Vegas, deserts, ski slopes, mountains, oceans, and virtually anything you can want.
You should have stopped at "Um, no."
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. . . to go see the Sphinx, they can see a replica in Las Vegas at the Luxor.
Oh no, you didn't? Really?
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You need TIME and Americans just don't have the time to be running around the world playing.
I'm an American and I made time to see over 40 countries on five continents. If you'll actually read the posts instead of reacting to them, you'll see I am not alone. It's fine if it's not your priority, but don't cop out and say it's because you're an American. Instead, let's look at the heart of your post which I think reveals the true reasons:
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At least if I go to Las Vegas, I'm in my country where I speak the language, and so does just about everybody else . . .

. . . without worries about conversion rates and different laws and stuff like that.

. . . cheap places that suck and I may not be able to drink the water, I have to worry about conversion rates, different rules, laws, languages, etc. . . .

If I go to Walt-Disney world, I'm in my country, it usually takes less than a half a day to get there and back, speak the language, I know the rules, I can actually enjoy myself and my family without being afraid of getting stuck in some strange land or passports, etc. . .
If you're afraid of water, foreign currency, language differences, "strange lands," "cheap places," passports or not knowing the "rules" - own it. These are your words, so don't hide behind some nonsense about seeing the Sphinx in Vegas.
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