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Old 04-22-2012, 01:48 PM
 
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Actually apart from accent they are quite similar. At least I never noted a difference. And I've been to all cities mentioned several times. Particularly Toledo.
How are they similar? I see a pretty big difference in the pace of life, demographics, way of dress, culture, etc, between the NY cities and the Ohio cities mentioned. The only similarity is that they are in the rust belt.
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Old 04-22-2012, 11:23 PM
 
Location: Appalachian New York, Formerly Louisiana
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How are they similar? I see a pretty big difference in the pace of life, demographics, way of dress, culture, etc, between the NY cities and the Ohio cities mentioned. The only similarity is that they are in the rust belt.
Thinking in terms of the grand scheme? They all feel equally northern.
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Old 04-23-2012, 12:08 AM
 
Location: Jefferson City 4 days a week, St. Louis 3 days a week
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yes but I wouldn't say culture, dialect and demographics have anything to do with being rust belt. The eastern cities in the rust belt such as Syracuse and Rochester have nothing in common with places like Toledo or Akron.
Not true at all. All are northern and in the Great Lakes region. The cities in the Great Lakes region tend to have more in common with each other than anywhere else. Topographically, i'd agree they are different, but culturally, demographically, and in terms of dialect, I wouldn't really say the cities you mention have significant differences. Not nearly to the degree Charleston does.

As far as being like Pittsburgh, in terms of appearance, maybe. But Charlestonians have a different mindset, dialect, attitude, and culture to them...they have more in common with residents of Eastern Kentucky and Southwest Virginia than with Pennsylvania or Ohio.
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Old 04-23-2012, 05:16 AM
 
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Not true at all. All are northern and in the Great Lakes region. The cities in the Great Lakes region tend to have more in common with each other than anywhere else. Topographically, i'd agree they are different, but culturally, demographically, and in terms of dialect, I wouldn't really say the cities you mention have significant differences. Not nearly to the degree Charleston does.

As far as being like Pittsburgh, in terms of appearance, maybe. But Charlestonians have a different mindset, dialect, attitude, and culture to them...they have more in common with residents of Eastern Kentucky and Southwest Virginia than with Pennsylvania or Ohio.
Again , what are these similarities? Having lived in Rochester and having worked all over Ohio, a person from my city has nothing in common with somebody from Akron or Toledo.
In a place like Rochester you see Italian influence all over the place. You see a Puerto Rican influence. These are big factors that make the demographics different. The pace of life is much more different. It is not NYC fast here, but much faster than the Ohio cities mentioned. People here dress more "guido" like with the tacky sunglasses indoors/fake tan look. The accent is different, the slang words are different. I am constantly being told to slow down my speech when I am in those areas. I have never been told that when traveling in the northeast.
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Old 04-23-2012, 08:48 AM
 
Location: Burlington, Colorado
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Again , what are these similarities? Having lived in Rochester and having worked all over Ohio, a person from my city has nothing in common with somebody from Akron or Toledo.
In a place like Rochester you see Italian influence all over the place. You see a Puerto Rican influence. These are big factors that make the demographics different. The pace of life is much more different. It is not NYC fast here, but much faster than the Ohio cities mentioned. People here dress more "guido" like with the tacky sunglasses indoors/fake tan look. The accent is different, the slang words are different. I am constantly being told to slow down my speech when I am in those areas. I have never been told that when traveling in the northeast.
I agree... never been to Akron, but Topeka reminds me a lot more of Toledo than Rochester does.
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Old 04-23-2012, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Jefferson City 4 days a week, St. Louis 3 days a week
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Again , what are these similarities? Having lived in Rochester and having worked all over Ohio, a person from my city has nothing in common with somebody from Akron or Toledo.
In a place like Rochester you see Italian influence all over the place. You see a Puerto Rican influence. These are big factors that make the demographics different. The pace of life is much more different. It is not NYC fast here, but much faster than the Ohio cities mentioned. People here dress more "guido" like with the tacky sunglasses indoors/fake tan look. The accent is different, the slang words are different. I am constantly being told to slow down my speech when I am in those areas. I have never been told that when traveling in the northeast.
Since I can't make you see my point that way, I'll try one last time. Syracuse has a lot more in common industrially, in terms of dialect, culture, and demographics, with northern Ohio than Charleston does, regardless of whatever differences may exist. Charleston is the south, which is much more different from northern Ohio than any place in the Northeast.
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Old 04-23-2012, 10:01 AM
 
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Since I can't make you see my point that way, I'll try one last time. Syracuse has a lot more in common industrially, in terms of dialect, culture, and demographics, with northern Ohio than Charleston does, regardless of whatever differences may exist. Charleston is the south, which is much more different from northern Ohio than any place in the Northeast.
I get that Charleston is much different than the northern cities mentioned, but does not make those northern cities similar to eachother.
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Old 04-23-2012, 10:18 AM
 
Location: IN
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I agree... never been to Akron, but Topeka reminds me a lot more of Toledo than Rochester does.
Topeka? Oh wow I really forget that city is a state capitol most of the time.
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Old 04-23-2012, 10:24 AM
 
Location: West Michigan
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Since I can't make you see my point that way, I'll try one last time. Syracuse has a lot more in common industrially, in terms of dialect, culture, and demographics, with northern Ohio than Charleston does, regardless of whatever differences may exist. Charleston is the south, which is much more different from northern Ohio than any place in the Northeast.
I'm with you.

I've traveled across upstate New York, spent time in Syracuse, etc. There are definitely similarities between places like Cleveland, Youngstown, etc, and upstate New York cities. There are differences, but not huge differences. The South, on the other hand, is a different planet.
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Old 04-23-2012, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Appalachian New York, Formerly Louisiana
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Again , what are these similarities? Having lived in Rochester and having worked all over Ohio, a person from my city has nothing in common with somebody from Akron or Toledo.
In a place like Rochester you see Italian influence all over the place. You see a Puerto Rican influence. These are big factors that make the demographics different. The pace of life is much more different. It is not NYC fast here, but much faster than the Ohio cities mentioned. People here dress more "guido" like with the tacky sunglasses indoors/fake tan look. The accent is different, the slang words are different. I am constantly being told to slow down my speech when I am in those areas. I have never been told that when traveling in the northeast.
Maybe I'm just old but I don't recall all of this "guido" you speak of. Unless it's tourist season and they come from downstate.

In fact a lot of people in upstate NY claim that Rochester and Buffalo both have a Midwestern vibe to them as compared to other northeastern cities. Great lake shore, flat lands surrounding them, lots of farm on said surrounding land, etc.

I also don't remember Rochester being so heavily Italian. I remember the Puerto Ricans and blacks, but not the Italian side.
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