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18,897,100 - New York, NY
12,828,800 - Los Angeles, CA
9,461,100 - Chicago, IL
6,371,800 - Dallas/Fort Worth, TX
5,965,300 - Philadelphia, PA
5,946,800 - Houston, TX
5,582,200 - Washington, DC
5,564,600 - Miami, FL
5,268,900 - Atlanta, GA
4,552,400 - Boston, MA
4,335,400 - San Francisco/Oakland, CA
4,296,300 - Detroit, MI
4,224,900 - Riverside/San Bernardino, CA
4,192,900 - Phoenix, AZ
3,439,800 - Seattle, WA
3,317,300 - Minneapolis/St. Paul, MN
3,095,300 - San Diego, CA
2,812,900 - St. Louis, MO
2,783,200 - Tampa/St. Petersburg, FL
2,710,500 - Baltimore, MD
2,543,500 - Denver, CO
2,356,300 - Pittsburgh, PA
2,226,000 - Portland, OR
2,149,100 - Sacramento, CA
2,142,500 - San Antonio, TX
2,134,400 - Orlando, FL
2,130,200 - Cincinnati, OH
2,077,200 - Cleveland, OH
2,035,300 - Kansas City, MO
1,951,300 - Las Vegas, NV
1,836,900 - San Jose, CA
1,836,500 - Columbus, OH
1,758,000 - Charlotte, NC
1,756,200 - Indianapolis, IN
1,716,300 - Austin, TX
1,671,700 - Virginia Beach/Norfolk, VA
1,600,900 - Providence, RI
1,589,900 - Nashville, TN
1,555,900 - Milwaukee, WI
1,345,600 - Jacksonville, FL
1,316,100 - Memphis, TN
1,307,600 - Louisville, KY
1,258,300 - Richmond, VA
1,253,000 - Oklahoma City, OK
1,212,400 - Hartford, CT
1,167,800 - New Orleans, LA
1,135,500 - Buffalo, NY
1,130,500 - Raleigh, NC
1,128,000 - Birmingham, AL
1,124,200 - Salt Lake City, UT
1,054,300 - Rochester, NY
(NOTE: All population figures are rounded to the nearest hundred.)
Total nonfarm jobs
8,324,200 - New York, NY
5,131,000 - Los Angeles, CA
4,223,200 - Chicago, IL
2,973,100 - Washington, DC
2,927,500 - Dallas/Fort Worth, TX
2,668,700 - Philadelphia, PA
2,622,500 - Houston, TX
2,410,200 - Boston, MA
2,306,500 - Atlanta, GA
2,228,100 - Miami, FL
1,895,700 - San Francisco/Oakland, CA
1,752,100 - Detroit, MI
1,723,900 - Phoenix, AZ
1,703,900 - Minneapolis/St. Paul, MN
1,665,500 - Seattle, WA
1,276,400 - Baltimore, MD
1,269,900 - St. Louis, MO
1,228,500 - San Diego, CA
1,209,500 - Denver, CO
1,140,200 - Riverside/San Bernardino, CA
1,134,000 - Pittsburgh, PA
1,132,100 - Tampa/St. Petersburg, FL
1,006,100 - Orlando, FL
982,400 - Cincinnati, OH
981,300 - Portland, OR
969,400 - Kansas City, MO
968,100 - Cleveland, OH
912,400 - Columbus, OH
884,000 - San Jose, CA
868,200 - Indianapolis, IN
848,800 - San Antonio, TX
820,400 - Charlotte, NC
803,100 - Las Vegas, NV
799,500 - Austin, TX
796,000 - Milwaukee, WI
793,900 - Sacramento, CA
747,800 - Nashville, TN
724,000 - Virginia Beach/Norfolk, VA
631,600 - Salt Lake City, UT
609,400 - Richmond, VA
599,100 - Louisville, KY
594,000 - Memphis, TN
588,700 - Jacksonville, FL
567,300 - Oklahoma City, OK
534,900 - Hartford, CT
531,500 - Buffalo, NY
527,500 - New Orleans, LA
527,000 - Providence, RI
508,800 - Raleigh, NC
504,000 - Rochester, NY
481,400 - Birmingham, AL
(NOTE: All nonfarm job figures are from January 2012 and rounded to the nearest hundred.)
Nonfarm-job-to-population ratio
56.2% - Salt Lake City, UT
53.3% - Washington, DC
52.9% - Boston, MA
51.4% - Minneapolis/St. Paul, MN
51.1% - Milwaukee, WI
49.7% - Columbus, OH
49.4% - Indianapolis, IN
48.4% - Richmond, VA
48.4% - Seattle, WA
48.1% - Pittsburgh, PA
48.1% - San Jose, CA
47.8% - Rochester, NY
47.6% - Kansas City, MO
47.6% - Denver, CO
47.1% - Orlando, FL
47.1% - Baltimore, MD
47.0% - Nashville, TN
46.8% - Buffalo, NY
46.7% - Charlotte, NC
46.6% - Cleveland, OH
46.6% - Austin, TX
46.1% - Cincinnati, OH
45.9% - Dallas/Fort Worth, TX
45.8% - Louisville, KY
45.3% - Oklahoma City, OK
45.2% - New Orleans, LA
45.1% - St. Louis, MO
45.1% - Memphis, TN
45.0% - Raleigh, NC
44.7% - Philadelphia, PA
44.6% - Chicago, IL
44.1% - Hartford, CT
44.1% - Houston, TX
44.1% - Portland, OR
44.1% - New York, NY
43.8% - Atlanta, GA
43.8% - Jacksonville, FL
43.7% - San Francisco/Oakland, CA
43.3% - Virginia Beach/Norfolk, VA
42.7% - Birmingham, AL
41.2% - Las Vegas, NV
41.1% - Phoenix, AZ
40.8% - Detroit, MA
40.7% - Tampa/St. Petersburg, FL
40.0% - Miami, FL
40.0% - Los Angeles, CA
39.7% - San Diego, CA
39.6% - San Antonio, TX
36.9% - Sacramento, CA
32.9% - Providence, RI
27.0% - Riverside/San Bernardino, CA
(NOTE: All tied percentages are broken by further decimal points.)
The significance of the nonfarm-job-to-population ratio is that it illustrates the approximate percentage of residents who are contributing to the economy of each MSA. The opposite of this ratio is the approximate percentage of residents who are not contributing to each economy. For example, if the Salt Lake City MSA has a nonfarm-job-to-population ratio of 56.2%, the we can conclude that approximately 43.8% of its population is not contributing to the local economy. (Some variation exists due to commuters from counties outside each MSA, but it's very slight.) The higher the ratio, the more lean and productive a particular MSA is. The lower the ratio, the more bloated and unproductive a particular MSA is.
There's also the issue of multiple MSA's that are smashed against each other, with job centers spread between them. There are 1.1 million people in Salt Lake City, but there are another 1.1 million people directly to the north/south in the Provo and Ogden areas. Many of those people commute to the job centers in the centrally located counties of the SLC area.
There's also the issue of multiple MSA's that are smashed against each other, with job centers spread between them. There are 1.1 million people in Salt Lake City, but there are another 1.1 million people directly to the north/south in the Provo and Ogden areas. Many of those people commute to the job centers in the centrally located counties of the SLC area.
Regarding the issue of adjacent MSAs, I'm sure Salt Lake City draws some people in from Provo/Orem and Ogden, but it's obviously not a large enough number for the MSAs to merge. Furthermore, there are probably about as many people in Salt Lake City who commute to jobs in Provo/Orem and Ogden, so it's probably a wash.
It's not a perfect analysis by any means, but I still believe it's a decent indicator of economic productivity.
It's the farm jobs that I worry about in MSAs with 1,000,000+ population.
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It's not a perfect analysis by any means, but I still believe it's a decent indicator of economic productivity.
There is not necessarily a direct correlation between "having a job" and "being productive". For example, compare the productivity of 1,000 people in a city with a major medical center, and 1,000 people in another city that is a major insurance center, who do nothing but process the billing invoices of the health care workers. Furthermore, it completely ignores the phenomenon of those who commute across the boundary of an MSA.
What happens when everybody starts quoting your entire post, like this:
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Originally Posted by Gnutella
Total population
18,897,100 - New York, NY
12,828,800 - Los Angeles, CA
9,461,100 - Chicago, IL
6,371,800 - Dallas/Fort Worth, TX
5,965,300 - Philadelphia, PA
5,946,800 - Houston, TX
5,582,200 - Washington, DC
5,564,600 - Miami, FL
5,268,900 - Atlanta, GA
4,552,400 - Boston, MA
4,335,400 - San Francisco/Oakland, CA
4,296,300 - Detroit, MI
4,224,900 - Riverside/San Bernardino, CA
4,192,900 - Phoenix, AZ
3,439,800 - Seattle, WA
3,317,300 - Minneapolis/St. Paul, MN
3,095,300 - San Diego, CA
2,812,900 - St. Louis, MO
2,783,200 - Tampa/St. Petersburg, FL
2,710,500 - Baltimore, MD
2,543,500 - Denver, CO
2,356,300 - Pittsburgh, PA
2,226,000 - Portland, OR
2,149,100 - Sacramento, CA
2,142,500 - San Antonio, TX
2,134,400 - Orlando, FL
2,130,200 - Cincinnati, OH
2,077,200 - Cleveland, OH
2,035,300 - Kansas City, MO
1,951,300 - Las Vegas, NV
1,836,900 - San Jose, CA
1,836,500 - Columbus, OH
1,758,000 - Charlotte, NC
1,756,200 - Indianapolis, IN
1,716,300 - Austin, TX
1,671,700 - Virginia Beach/Norfolk, VA
1,600,900 - Providence, RI
1,589,900 - Nashville, TN
1,555,900 - Milwaukee, WI
1,345,600 - Jacksonville, FL
1,316,100 - Memphis, TN
1,307,600 - Louisville, KY
1,258,300 - Richmond, VA
1,253,000 - Oklahoma City, OK
1,212,400 - Hartford, CT
1,167,800 - New Orleans, LA
1,135,500 - Buffalo, NY
1,130,500 - Raleigh, NC
1,128,000 - Birmingham, AL
1,124,200 - Salt Lake City, UT
1,054,300 - Rochester, NY
(NOTE: All population figures are rounded to the nearest hundred.)
Total nonfarm jobs
8,324,200 - New York, NY
5,131,000 - Los Angeles, CA
4,223,200 - Chicago, IL
2,973,100 - Washington, DC
2,927,500 - Dallas/Fort Worth, TX
2,668,700 - Philadelphia, PA
2,622,500 - Houston, TX
2,410,200 - Boston, MA
2,306,500 - Atlanta, GA
2,228,100 - Miami, FL
1,895,700 - San Francisco/Oakland, CA
1,752,100 - Detroit, MI
1,723,900 - Phoenix, AZ
1,703,900 - Minneapolis/St. Paul, MN
1,665,500 - Seattle, WA
1,276,400 - Baltimore, MD
1,269,900 - St. Louis, MO
1,228,500 - San Diego, CA
1,209,500 - Denver, CO
1,140,200 - Riverside/San Bernardino, CA
1,134,000 - Pittsburgh, PA
1,132,100 - Tampa/St. Petersburg, FL
1,006,100 - Orlando, FL
982,400 - Cincinnati, OH
981,300 - Portland, OR
969,400 - Kansas City, MO
968,100 - Cleveland, OH
912,400 - Columbus, OH
884,000 - San Jose, CA
868,200 - Indianapolis, IN
848,800 - San Antonio, TX
820,400 - Charlotte, NC
803,100 - Las Vegas, NV
799,500 - Austin, TX
796,000 - Milwaukee, WI
793,900 - Sacramento, CA
747,800 - Nashville, TN
724,000 - Virginia Beach/Norfolk, VA
631,600 - Salt Lake City, UT
609,400 - Richmond, VA
599,100 - Louisville, KY
594,000 - Memphis, TN
588,700 - Jacksonville, FL
567,300 - Oklahoma City, OK
534,900 - Hartford, CT
531,500 - Buffalo, NY
527,500 - New Orleans, LA
527,000 - Providence, RI
508,800 - Raleigh, NC
504,000 - Rochester, NY
481,400 - Birmingham, AL
(NOTE: All nonfarm job figures are from January 2012 and rounded to the nearest hundred.)
Nonfarm-job-to-population ratio
56.2% - Salt Lake City, UT
53.3% - Washington, DC
52.9% - Boston, MA
51.4% - Minneapolis/St. Paul, MN
51.1% - Milwaukee, WI
49.7% - Columbus, OH
49.4% - Indianapolis, IN
48.4% - Richmond, VA
48.4% - Seattle, WA
48.1% - Pittsburgh, PA
48.1% - San Jose, CA
47.8% - Rochester, NY
47.6% - Kansas City, MO
47.6% - Denver, CO
47.1% - Orlando, FL
47.1% - Baltimore, MD
47.0% - Nashville, TN
46.8% - Buffalo, NY
46.7% - Charlotte, NC
46.6% - Cleveland, OH
46.6% - Austin, TX
46.1% - Cincinnati, OH
45.9% - Dallas/Fort Worth, TX
45.8% - Louisville, KY
45.3% - Oklahoma City, OK
45.2% - New Orleans, LA
45.1% - St. Louis, MO
45.1% - Memphis, TN
45.0% - Raleigh, NC
44.7% - Philadelphia, PA
44.6% - Chicago, IL
44.1% - Hartford, CT
44.1% - Houston, TX
44.1% - Portland, OR
44.1% - New York, NY
43.8% - Atlanta, GA
43.8% - Jacksonville, FL
43.7% - San Francisco/Oakland, CA
43.3% - Virginia Beach/Norfolk, VA
42.7% - Birmingham, AL
41.2% - Las Vegas, NV
41.1% - Phoenix, AZ
40.8% - Detroit, MA
40.7% - Tampa/St. Petersburg, FL
40.0% - Miami, FL
40.0% - Los Angeles, CA
39.7% - San Diego, CA
39.6% - San Antonio, TX
36.9% - Sacramento, CA
32.9% - Providence, RI
27.0% - Riverside/San Bernardino, CA
(NOTE: All tied percentages are broken by further decimal points.)
The significance of the nonfarm-job-to-population ratio is that it illustrates the approximate percentage of residents who are contributing to the economy of each MSA. The opposite of this ratio is the approximate percentage of residents who are not contributing to each economy. For example, if the Salt Lake City MSA has a nonfarm-job-to-population ratio of 56.2%, the we can conclude that approximately 43.8% of its population is not contributing to the local economy. (Some variation exists due to commuters from counties outside each MSA, but it's very slight.) The higher the ratio, the more lean and productive a particular MSA is. The lower the ratio, the more bloated and unproductive a particular MSA is.
Nice! Indianapolis is #7 in the nation for highest percentage of the population thats working.
As the old saying goes Hoosiers are known for their hardwork. Super Bowl 46 was a nice example of that. How the community just banded together and put on one of the best Super Bowls of all time. Glad to see the NFL is looking at Indy again for another Super Bowl. that would make our city the FIRST in the northern climate to be on the host rotation.
Another example of this is we dont have the no life occupy movement in our city. Which also is good for keeping the peace. Indy doesnt have to deal with riots and heck on the night Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated Indy was the ONLY major city that did not riot!
Hard Work pays off i have to say.
Nice! Indianapolis is #7 in the nation for highest percentage of the population thats working.
As the old saying goes Hoosiers are known for their hardwork. Super Bowl 46 was a nice example of that. How the community just banded together and put on one of the best Super Bowls of all time. Glad to see the NFL is looking at Indy again for another Super Bowl. that would make our city the FIRST in the northern climate to be on the host rotation.
Another example of this is we dont have the no life occupy movement in our city. Which also is good for keeping the peace. Indy doesnt have to deal with riots and heck on the night Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated Indy was the ONLY major city that did not riot!
Hard Work pays off i have to say.
Thanks to your highly partisan, single-mindedly and oft-repeated superbowl hijack, it is likely that this thread will be moved to City vs City, where it should have gone in the first place.
Regarding the issue of adjacent MSAs, I'm sure Salt Lake City draws some people in from Provo/Orem and Ogden, but it's obviously not a large enough number for the MSAs to merge. Furthermore, there are probably about as many people in Salt Lake City who commute to jobs in Provo/Orem and Ogden, so it's probably a wash.
It's not a perfect analysis by any means, but I still believe it's a decent indicator of economic productivity.
I don't think you want to brush off that criticism so easily. Commuting patterns are the reason why MSAs are grouped together as CSAs. If you're only looking at MSAs, larger central cities like SLC and Boston are at an advantage against places like Riverside or Providence that have a greater proportion of suburban residents/commuters. Other examples are Worcester, MA (30.2%), or Trenton, NJ (65.8%)!
How can Riverside/San Bernardino, CA only have 1,140,200 jobs? Compare it to other area's with the same amount of jobs but have 2 million more people? With that said, people will say well they work in LA. If that is the case why isn't it one MSA instead of always being part of a CSA?
Same thing with Sacramento. How can it have less jobs than Austin, yet have a metro that has 600,000+ more people?
How can Riverside/San Bernardino, CA only have 1,140,200 jobs? Compare it to other area's with the same amount of jobs but have 2 million more people? With that said, people will say well they work in LA. If that is the case why isn't it one MSA instead of always being part of a CSA?
Same thing with Sacramento. How can it have less jobs than Austin, yet have a metro that has 600,000+ more people?
These (especially the IE) are really more exurbs of the other areas. Riverside is a commuter bedroom community into LA and Sac to leassor extent into the Bay area
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