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View Poll Results: Best Cities in the Midwest for Living
Akron, OH 6 3.53%
Chicago, IL 57 33.53%
Cincinnati, OH 21 12.35%
Cleveland, OH 24 14.12%
Columbus, OH 22 12.94%
Des Moines, IA 26 15.29%
Detroit, MI 16 9.41%
Fort Wayne, IN 5 2.94%
Grand Rapids, MI 14 8.24%
Indianapolis, IN 23 13.53%
Kansas City, KS-MO 23 13.53%
Lincoln, NE 12 7.06%
Madison, WI 36 21.18%
Milwaukee, WI 24 14.12%
Minneapolis, MN 62 36.47%
Omaha, NE 22 12.94%
St. Louis, MO 34 20.00%
St. Paul, MN 24 14.12%
Toledo, OH 8 4.71%
Wichita, KS 7 4.12%
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Old 10-21-2012, 12:08 AM
 
Location: IN
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Of course. Why would they spend any money defending Wisconsin? (Which so far has given us Paul Ryan, Jeffrey Dahmer, Scott Walker, Ed Gein, Harry Houdini, and Joe McCarthy).

Ratio of median house value to median annual income (number of years income to buy a house):
Madison 4.48
Lubbock 2.78

Which means a Madison worker has to work 50% longer to pay for a house, than a Lubbock worker. So in Lubbock, after paying for housing, a worker has a lot more money left over to enjoy life. That's a quality of life metric. Pretty strong point.
Housing is a moot point. In Dane County one can easily find lower cost housing in the outlying towns surrounding Madison. Madison still has superior educational attainment and household income compared to Lubbock. Lubbock is a very average city by "Texas standards" that is below average nationally.
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Old 10-21-2012, 07:32 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Housing is a moot point. .
Some of us think affordable housing is important.
Everything you said is a moot point, too.
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Old 10-21-2012, 01:38 PM
 
Location: IN
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Some of us think affordable housing is important.
Everything you said is a moot point, too.
Apparently facts mean nothing to you when they are presented as you fail to address them. As mentioned, HOUSING PRICES in towns immediately near Madison are very affordable relative to the median household income. Dane County is better than Lubbock County overall and I really don't know how you could say otherwise.
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Old 10-21-2012, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Apparently facts mean nothing to you when they are presented as you fail to address them. As mentioned, HOUSING PRICES in towns immediately near Madison are very affordable relative to the median household income. Dane County is better than Lubbock County overall and I really don't know how you could say otherwise.
Median house prices:
Madison 220K

Middleton 280K
Sun Prairie 218K
Lake Mills 182K
Jefferson 161K
(Average of those four = 210K)

Lubbock 106K

Most people in the surrounding towns, like my niece, pay Cambridge housing prices but still have Madison income. She would love to pay Lubbock housing prices, and avoid the one-hour daily commute, and would probably miss very little of the quality of life of Madison. I bet she hasn't been to a museum, a concert or a Badger game in ten years, nor nave her neighbors.

Facts mean nothing?.

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Old 10-21-2012, 04:07 PM
 
Location: IN
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Median house prices:
Madison 220K

Middleton 280K
Sun Prairie 218K
Lake Mills 182K
Jefferson 161K
(Average of those four = 210K)

Lubbock 106K

Most people, like my niece, pay Cambridge housing prices but still have Madison income

Facts mean nothing?.
Ha, now you are equivocating Madison housing prices to Cambridge? That has to be a joke as I lived in NH and am quite familiar with MA.
And Lubbock is in the South and Madison is in the Midwest. Madison has lower priced housing compared to Chicagoland or the Coasts. I wasn't directly debating cost of living differentials or the fact that Lubbock is a far less desirable place to live than Madison. The average for Dane county is less than $210K if you add in towns like Waunakee, Fitchburg, McFarland, Oregon, Cottage Grove, etc. Housing prices are also indicative of desirability and gradual appreciation of housing over time is a good thing. Lubbock has very mediocre demographics with low wages and the price of housing there is generally reflective of that in addition to no geographic factors that limit sprawl.
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Old 10-21-2012, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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I've been to Lubbock a couple of times and I lived in Madison for 5 years. My experience was that Lubbock was nothing remotely like Madison...
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Old 10-21-2012, 07:02 PM
 
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How did we go from the midwest to talking about Lubbock, Texas?!?
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Old 10-21-2012, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Ha, now you are equivocating Madison housing prices to Cambridge? That has to be a joke as I lived in NH and am quite familiar with MA..
Ever heard of Cambridge Wisconsin? On the east edge of Dane County? One of those little towns you were cheerleading for, for people who can't afford high-priced Madison housing? Home town of Nascar driver Matt Kenseth?
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Old 10-21-2012, 09:10 PM
 
Location: IN
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Ever heard of Cambridge Wisconsin? On the east edge of Dane County? One of those little towns you were cheerleading for, for people who can't afford high-priced Madison housing? Home town of Nascar driver Matt Kenseth?
I've never been there and thought you were referring to a Cambridge in a different state. The point remains that plenty of small towns near Madison offer reasonable housing prices relative to the median household income that remains well above the state average. That is why Madison remains one of the best small metros in the Midwest.
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Old 10-21-2012, 10:07 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis (St. Louis Park)
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Why are we comparing Lubbock, TX to Madison, WI? I hate Wisconsin (from MN here) but Madison is a town that most cities should model after, big or small.
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