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Old 03-23-2012, 12:29 AM
 
Location: Germantown, MD
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Living in the Balt-Wash Metro area I've seen how different state-level jurisdictions can compete (and cooperate) with one another for jobs, corporate hq's, and residences. I'm wondering if this is the same in other metro areas that cover multiple states (and countries). I realize that unlike metro areas such as DC's and New York's, which are pretty even around the main city as far as residents and density are concerned, others such as Charlotte and Sacramento have most of the businesses and residents located in one state and small exurbs in the other.

Another aspect of multi-state metro areas is potential differences in politics (which is the case in the DC region, being pretty conservative south of the river and very liberal north of the river). Taxes and crime are also factors. How many people take advantage of the things like living in one state and working in another, shopping/purchasing gas in a neighboring state, root for a team in another state etc?

For reference I've listed all the multi-state (multi-country) MSA's with a pops. >1,000,000 in order of number of states and metro area population:

Transnational
Detroit-Windsor United States and Canada
major city/cities: Detroit, MI; Windsor, ON
pop: ~5,700,000

San Diego-Tijuana United States and Mexico
major city/cities: San Diego, CA; Tijuana, Baja California
pop: 5,105,769

El Paso-Juarez United States and Mexico
major city/cities: El Paso, TX; Juárez, Chihuahua
pop: ~2,300,000

Multi-State
New York-Newark-Bridgeport CSA New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Pennsylvania
major city/cities: New York, NY; Newark, NJ; Jersey City, NJ
pop: 22,085,649

Philadelphia–Camden–Wilmington CSA Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland
major city/cities: Philadelphia, PA
pop: 6,398,896

Washington-Baltimore-Northern Virginia CSA Washington, D.C., Maryland, Virginia, West Virginia
major city/cities: Baltimore, MD; Washington, D.C.
pop: 5,582,170

Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City CSA Illinois, Indiana, Wisconsin
major city/cities: Chicago, IL; Aurora, IL
pop: 9,804,845

Boston-Worcester-Manchester CSA Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Rhode Island
major city/cities: Boston, MA; Worcester, MA; Providence, RI
pop: 4,522,858

Cincinnati-Middletown-Wilmington CSA Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana
major city/cities: Cincinatti, OH
pop: 2,214,954

Memphis MSA Tennessee, Mississippi, Arkansas
major city/cities: Memphis, TN
pop: 1,305,946

Minneapolis-St. Paul-St. Cloud CSA Minnesota, Wisconsin
major city/cities: Minneapolis, MN; St. Paul, MN
pop: 3,615,902

St. Louis-St. Charles-Farmington CSA Missouri, Illinois
major city/cities: St. Louis, MO
pop: 2,878,255

Charlotte-Gastonia-Salisbury CSA North Carolina, South Carolina
major city/cities: Charlotte, NC
pop: 2,574,787

Sacramento–Arden Arcade–Yuba City CSA California, Nevada
major city/cities: Sacramento, CA; Elk Grove, CA
pop: 2,461,780

Portland-Vancouver-Hillsboro MSA Oregon, Washington
major city/cities: Portland, OR; Vancouver, WA
pop: 2,226,009

Kansas City MSA Missouri, Kansas
major city/cities: Kansas City, MO; Overland Park, KS; Kansas City, KS
pop: 2,035,335

Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News MSA Virginia, North Carolina
major city/cities: Virginia Beach, VA; Norfolk, VA; Chesapeake, VA; Newport News, VA
pop: 1,671,683

Louisville-Jefferson County MSA Kentucky, Indiana
major city/cities: Louisville, KY
pop: 1,307,647

CSA= Combined Statistical Area
MSA= Metropolitan Statistical Area
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Old 03-23-2012, 01:22 AM
 
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How many people take advantage of the things like living in one state and working in another, shopping/purchasing gas in a neighboring state, root for a team in another state etc?
With PDX-Vancouver, it used to be that you could live in Vancouver, WA (non-income tax state) and work in OR (income tax state) without having to pay income tax... unfortunately too many started to move up to take advantage of this that OR changed their laws. Now, a WA resident working in OR has to pay income tax (albeit at a lower rate than an OR resident). But still, there are other reasons to continue to move to Vancouver, WA: affordable housing, lower property taxes, better schools and a more... balanced political setting (since PDX is too liberal). Vancouverites can go shopping in PDX since there's no sales tax in OR. PDX is the biggest city near Vancouver (Seattle is 3 hours north)-- all the news and life is PDX based and fused. Lots of Ducks vs Beavers fans in Vancouver, they go to the Trailblazer games.

The i5 bridge needs to be replaced... OR and WA cannot seem to get that deal done.
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Old 03-23-2012, 09:36 AM
 
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Lately the NYPD has been doing surveillance in Newark, New Jersey and there was big outcry because the NYPD doesn't have jurisdiction across the Hudson river in NJ.
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Old 03-23-2012, 10:01 AM
 
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Taxes and crime are also factors. How many people take advantage of the things like living in one state and working in another, shopping/purchasing gas in a neighboring state, root for a team in another state etc?
This is what I want to know. How does living in one state and working in another impact your taxes? Do you end up paying taxes in both? That seems like a big disadvantage.
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Old 03-23-2012, 10:12 AM
 
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This is what I want to know. How does living in one state and working in another impact your taxes? Do you end up paying taxes in both? That seems like a big disadvantage.
The Portland-Vancouver example above is a good one as one state has no sales tax and the other has no income tax. If you want to avoid both income and sales tax, live, work, and buy non-deli/restaurant food in Vancouver, WA and do the rest of the shopping in Portland, OR.
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Old 03-23-2012, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Germantown, MD
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With PDX-Vancouver, it used to be that you could live in Vancouver, WA (non-income tax state) and work in OR (income tax state) without having to pay income tax... unfortunately too many started to move up to take advantage of this that OR changed their laws. Now, a WA resident working in OR has to pay income tax (albeit at a lower rate than an OR resident). But still, there are other reasons to continue to move to Vancouver, WA: affordable housing, lower property taxes, better schools and a more... balanced political setting (since PDX is too liberal). Vancouverites can go shopping in PDX since there's no sales tax in OR. PDX is the biggest city near Vancouver (Seattle is 3 hours north)-- all the news and life is PDX based and fused. Lots of Ducks vs Beavers fans in Vancouver, they go to the Trailblazer games.

The i5 bridge needs to be replaced... OR and WA cannot seem to get that deal done.
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This is what I want to know. How does living in one state and working in another impact your taxes? Do you end up paying taxes in both? That seems like a big disadvantage.
Interesting, when I worked in Northern Virginia (for a company headquartered in Bethesda, MD) I would pay Maryland income tax. It would really suck to have to pay taxes in two states. That situation of living in Vancouver,WA and shopping in Oregon sounded like a really sweet deal-you can live (state) income and sales tax free. No surprise that so many took advantage of it.

In the Balt-Wash area DC, MD, and VA all have sales taxes of 6% for DC/MD and 5% for VA. However, MD and DC's other taxes such as income and vice (especially cigarettes) are much higher than more then Virginia's. Delaware has 0 sales tax and draws shoppers from Northeast MD; Ocean City, MD; SE Pennsylvania, and South Jersey.
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Old 03-23-2012, 02:09 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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This is what I want to know. How does living in one state and working in another impact your taxes? Do you end up paying taxes in both? That seems like a big disadvantage.
Most states offer credits for taxes paid in other states on your income tax returns. For example, thousands of people live in Rock Hill & Fort Mill, SC and work across the state line in Charlotte because property taxes are lower in SC counties than they are in NC, especially Mecklenburg Co., plus SC gas prices are typically lower as we have the 2nd lowest state gas tax in the nation as well as cost of living in general is just lower in SC than Charlotte. That said, if you had to pay income taxes to both states, any gains in those areas would surely be offset. A South Carolina (like most other states) resident will get a credit for taxes paid to NC or any other state for that matter on their tax return as long as they know how to and remember to claim it!

Form SC 1040TC | TaxBox.org
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Old 03-23-2012, 02:46 PM
 
Location: Columbus, GA and Brookhaven, GA
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The Columbus, GA CSA includes parts of the Alabama (Auburn and Opelika). That is roughly 500,000 people or more.
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Old 03-23-2012, 05:04 PM
 
Location: CT
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What about metro areas that trade workers between states. At the border there's a lot of people who go from the Hartford area to work in Springfield and vice versa.
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Old 03-23-2012, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Germantown, MD
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The Columbus, GA CSA includes parts of the Alabama (Auburn and Opelika). That is roughly 500,000 people or more.
Yeah I saw the Columbus GA Metro Area, but I limited the list to metros greater than 1,000,000 so it wouldn't be too large.

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What about metro areas that trade workers between states. At the border there's a lot of people who go from the Hartford area to work in Springfield and vice versa.
Interestingly, Hartford-Springfield isn't officially designated a CSA or MSA by the OMB, but apparently they're plans to identify the area as one in the near future.
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