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Originally Posted by HtownLove
Montrose was the place for runaway teens, prostitutes, starving artists, drug dealers, independent/ non mainstream musicians and of course the Gay and Lesbian scene
Yup, and then in the 90's and 2000's it all collectively manifested itself into gentrification and is probably one of the more pricey and among the most desirable neighborhoods right? We've heard this before in...
South End - Boston
Capital Hill - Seattle
West Hollywood - LA
Dupont Circle - DC
makes me wonder if this will happen again as so much of the outliers have been pushed out by gentrification to the dumpy strip malley outskirts of many cities. Not that drug dealers and hookers are a good thing, just seems there are less places in many cities for the starving artists and those with real creativity and soul to set up shop. Urban infll and density proposals usually don't include room for that element, at least not financially.
Yup, and then in the 90's and 2000's it all collectively manifested itself into gentrification and is probably one of the more pricey and among the most desirable neighborhoods right? We've heard this before in...
South End - Boston
Capital Hill - Seattle
West Hollywood - LA
Dupont Circle - DC
makes me wonder if this will happen again as so much of the outliers have been pushed out by gentrification to the dumpy strip malley outskirts of many cities. Not that drug dealers and hookers are a good thing, just seems there are less places in many cities for the starving artists and those with real creativity and soul to set up shop. Urban infll and density proposals usually don't include room for that element, at least not financially.
Yep. Homes in that area go for three times the average city price. Gentrification cleaned up the place but the soul of the area is still there though. Still artsy, though overpriced. The Gay aspects are still there, its just that the whole area has gotten pricey and not as edgy as when the broke weirdo lived there.
As for the outliers being pushed out, they did not coalesce in one area as they did in Montrose, so there is not and doubt there will ever be another area in Houston like Montrose.
New places 'it' places pop up all the time. But they are generally sterile, forced, and they most often don't last long.
The Heights for a time was an alternative to Montrose, but it is also now expensive.
The new Rails are heading east. The east side of town is heavily industrial and rather poor. That area has promise as there are plans to convert some of these strips of warehouses into lofts. The East Side being blocks from Downtown, crossed with bike trails, and near big universities has promise of being a new it area.
For Missouri, it would be the central corridor of St. Louis, including the SLU area, the Central West End, The Grove, and the University City Loop north of Washington University. KC might have a similar section of town, likely located on the south side of downtown.
In your state (or any state you may be familiar with) what is the most eclectic city AND name…
The name came in 1949 when the old-time radio show Truth or Consequences host, Ralph Edwards, asked the nation to change the name of their town to honor the show’s tenth anniversary. [/quote]
Truth or Consequences | Old Time Radio
“We’ve been waiting for you” has been the town’s mantra since1950 when it changed its name from “Hot Springs” to “Truth or Consequences.”
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Pick from some or all of the criteria below…Places that have lots of artists and artistry
- T or C (as it is called by locals) is an artist's haven. Famous NM artists Delmas Howe (living) and H. Joe Waldrum (deceased) have their studio/galleries in T or C. A more recent transplant is El Paso/San Francisco artist Fernando Mercado.
Delmas Howe's Secret New Mexico Place (http://www.nmmagazine.com/my_secret_place_howe_oct10.php - broken link) Harold Joe Waldrum Fernando Mercado - Artist
- An Art Hop is held monthly on second Saturday. Art galleries and downtown businesses are open to the public, and sidewalk musicians entertain. www.T or Cart.com/
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Places that thrive off of small businesses, artisan food vendors, perhaps even adverse to chains
- Not too many (only one each of the big chains) and they haven’t broken the back of the art galleries, gift shops, restaurants, thrift stores, and the majority of businesses in this small town of 7,000 souls which are locally owned and operated.
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Distinct or colorful architecture
- Because T or C is in a flood plane, downstream of several dams and the largest body of water in the southwest, there are many mobile homes adhering to building codes to keep the buildings high off the ground. Trailers and are interspersed with Spanish architecture and Old West style buildings.
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Places that people wouldn't bat an eye at the sight of a drag queen, hippies, or multiple tattoos and piercings
. Most of the people who live in T or C were either born here, came from a galaxy far far away, or are escapees from insane asylums. A famous saying on local tee shirts is: “We’re all here because we’re not all there.”
- Got 'em. Got cowboys, too, some old hippies, a few Rainbow folks, and several movie star look-alikes. It's true--amazing look-alikes of Richard Gere, John Travolta, and Willie Nelson (only taller) live and breathe here. Not too long ago the "real" Jane Fonda and Ted Turner used to hang out here.
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Places that draw lots of writers and poets
- Does this include Jazz legends like Frank Morgan, Greg Abate, Chris Calloway, and Rashied Ali? http://www.jazzinn.com/JazZ%20in%20T (broken link) or C.html
- This small city of 7,000 has also been treated to Classical performances of Schubert and Bach, brought to town by Delmas Howe.
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Places that have eclectic or offbeat attractions, could be pertaining to something retro or unusual history
- Truth or Consequences has a retro name and an unusual history of the name change in 1950, when the citizens voted to change their name to that of a radio show that was famous in its own time, and perhaps even today.
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Spiritual places, or locations with unconventional or unusual religious and spiritual practices
- Tibetan monk (the Venerable Lama Karma Rinchen) has a home in T or C and has established a meditation center and puja.
- Also, Truth or Consequences is a place that has been frequented by famous “psychic” mediums like “Bartholomew” and “Abraham-Hicks.”
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Places that are especially lyrical or has a high number of musical venues and/or street performers
- Home of the New Mexico Old Time Fiddlers State Championship in October 2012, and a venue where jazz greats and classical musicians have performed. Nowadays you can find R&B funk by Iya Khan and 6o's Oldies by “Me and My Baby." All of these musicians live in T or C.
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Specific location or topography (beach, mountains, canyons, vortices, hot springs, parks) that would inspire eclectic people to come together there
- There are lakes and sandy beaches five miles away in Elephant Butte Lake State Park and Caballo Lake State Park. T or C is in Sierra County (meaning mountains) north of the Black Range mountains and south of the Monticello Box Canyon. A fabulous hike is up Turtleback Mountain, the southernmost peak of the Caballo Mountain Range, named for the mustangs that roamed the area after the coming of the Spanish in the 16th century.
- State of the art museum featuring a larger collection of Mimbres pottery than is displayed at the Smithsonian, and a mastodon skull found in the area recalls a long forgotten era in the southwest. Geronimo Springs Museum
- Prehistoric grinding holes and hornos (Spanish for ovens) dug into a rock outcropping near the Rio Grande river. These are so deep, and so old, that nobody knows how many aeons the ancient Mimbres met here to prepare their ceremonial food after soaking in the hot mineral marsh that today is the hot springs of Truth or Consequences.
- Replica of Vietnam Wall in Veterans Memorial Park.
- Weekend tour rides from T or C to Spaceport America in nearby Engel, the first commercial into outer space. Tours of Spaceport America
- There's always plenty to do, besides shopping in the quaint shops downtown and going to the nearby forests, lakes, or ghost towns. If you'll permit me this long list, here's a thumbnail of annual events in Truth or Consequences, plus a few only five miles away. Summer and fall is REAL party time in T or C.
- May is the 62nd annual Truth or Consequences Fiesta (Spanish for festival) celebrating the name change from Hot Springs to Truth or Consequences in 1950. The main streets downtown close down for a parade, games and vendors in the riverside downtown park.
- June brings the Junior Open Fishing Tournament on Father's Day, or you might want to drive to nearby Winston-Chloride-Dusty & Chiz (named for Cochise) and enjoy their annual Fiesta.
- July boasts the biggest fireworks show in the state, reflected on the state's largest lake five miles away.
- August brings the 62nd T or C Open Golf Tournament.
- September is a blast with the Hot Springs Festival, a street block party celebrating the fact that T or C is a hot springs destination. Also lots of fun are the Balloon Regatta and Elephant Man Triathlon five miles away.
- October is fun time at the County Fair, and this year is the 62nd Old-Time Fiddlers State Competition.
- November brings more holiday fun at the 13th Annual Veteran's Day Car Show, plus a Bike Run and Rodeo to support the Veterans Memorial Park and Military Museum.
- December winds up the party season with tree lighting ceremonies, floating parade of lights, luminaria beachwalks, and an old fashioned Christmas when the downtown streets are closed, and stores stay open for late holiday shopping. www.T or Cmainstreet.org.
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- Did you mention vortices? Beware! The town itself is a vortex, what with a name like Truth or Consequences! 404 - PAGE NOT FOUND or C_about.htm
In your state (or any state you may be familiar with) what is the most eclectic city AND name…
The name came in 1949 when the old-time radio show Truth or Consequences host, Ralph Edwards, asked the nation to change the name of their town to honor the show’s tenth anniversary. [/quote]
Truth or Consequences | Old Time Radio
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what is the most electic small town (or small city) as well?
“We’ve been waiting for you” has been the town’s mantra since1950 when it changed its name from “Hot Springs” to “Truth or Consequences.”
Quote:
Pick from some or all of the criteria below…Places that have lots of artists and artistry
- T or C (as it is called by locals) is an artist's haven. Famous NM artists Delmas Howe (living) and H. Joe Waldrum (deceased) have their studio/galleries in T or C. A more recent transplant is El Paso/San Francisco artist Fernando Mercado.
Delmas Howe's Secret New Mexico Place (http://www.nmmagazine.com/my_secret_place_howe_oct10.php - broken link)
Places that thrive off of small businesses, artisan food vendors, perhaps even adverse to chains
- Not too many (only one each of the big chains) and they haven’t broken the back of the art galleries, gift shops, restaurants, thrift stores, and the majority of businesses in this small town of 7,000 souls which are locally owned and operated.
Quote:
Distinct or colorful architecture
- Because T or C is in a flood plane, downstream of several dams and the largest body of water in the southwest, there are many mobile homes adhering to building codes to keep the buildings high off the ground. Trailers and are interspersed with Spanish architecture and Old West style buildings.
Quote:
Places that people wouldn't bat an eye at the sight of a drag queen, hippies, or multiple tattoos and piercings
. Most of the people who live in T or C were either born here, came from a galaxy far far away, or are escapees from insane asylums. A famous saying on local tee shirts is: “We’re all here because we’re not all there.”
- Got 'em. Got cowboys, too, some old hippies, a few Rainbow folks, and several movie star look-alikes. It's true--Richard Gere, John Travolta, and Willie Nelson hang out here. Not too long ago the "real" Jane Fonda and Ted Turner used to hang out here.
Quote:
Places that draw lots of writers and poets
- Does this include Jazz legends like Frank Morgan, Greg Abate, Chris Calloway, and Rashied Ali? http://www.jazzinn.com/JazZ%20in%20T (broken link) or C.html
- This small city of 7,000 has also been treated to Classical performances of Schubert and Bach, brought to town by Delmas Howe.
Quote:
Places that have eclectic or offbeat attractions, could be pertaining to something retro or unusual history
- Truth or Consequences has a retro name and an unusual history of the name change in 1950, when the citizens voted to change their name to that of a radio show that was famous in its own time, and perhaps even today.
Quote:
Spiritual places, or locations with unconventional or unusual religious and spiritual practices
- Tibetan monk (the Venerable Lama Karma Rinchen) has a home in T or C and has established a meditation center and puja.
- Also, Truth or Consequences is a place that has been frequented by famous “psychic” mediums like “Bartholomew” and “Abraham-Hicks.”
Quote:
Places that are especially lyrical or has a high number of musical venues and/or street performers
- Home of the New Mexico Old Time Fiddlers State Championship in October 2012, and a venue where jazz greats and classical musicians have performed. Nowadays you can find Sixties Oldies music by “Me and My Baby,” and R&B Funk by Iya Khan.
Quote:
Specific location or topography (beach, mountains, canyons, vortices, hot springs, parks) that would inspire eclectic people to come together there
- There are lakes and sandy beaches five miles away in Elephant Butte Lake State Park and Caballo Lake State Park. T or C is in Sierra County (meaning mountains) north of the Black Range mountains, and nearby is the Monticello Box canyon. A fabulous hike is up Turtleback Mountain, the southernmost peak of the Caballo Mountain Range, named for the mustangs that roamed the area after the coming of the Spanish in the 16th century.
- Hot Springs is the city's former name, and it is where the largest hot springs basin in the state of NM resides:
- State of the art museum featuring a larger collection of Mimbres pottery than is displayed at the Smithsonian, and a mastodon skull found in the area that recalls an era long forgotten.
- Prehistoric grinding holes and hornos (Spanish for ovens) dug into a rock outcropping near the Rio Grande river. These are so deep, and so old, that nobody knows their origin except that the ancient Mimbres came here to prepare their ceremonial food after soaking in the hot mineral marsh that today is the hot springs of Truth or Consequences.
- Replica of Vietnam Wall in Veterans Memorial Park.
- Weekend tour rides from T or C to Spaceport America in nearby Engel, the first commercial into outer space.
- There's always plenty to do, besides shopping in the quaint shops downtown and going to the nearby lakes. If you'll permit me this long list, here's a thumbnail of annual events in Truth or Consequences, plus a few only five miles away.
- Summer and fall is REAL party time in T or C.
- May is the 62nd annual Truth or Consequences Fiesta (Spanish for festival) celebrating the name change from Hot Springs to Truth or Consequences in 1950. The main streets downtown close down for a parade, games and vendors in the Ralph Edwards Park.
- June brings the Junior Open Fishing Tournament on Father's Day, or you might want to drive to nearby Winston-Chloride-Dusty & Chiz (named for Cochise) and enjoy their annual Fiesta.
- July boasts the biggest fireworks show in the state, reflected on the state's largest lake five miles away.
- August brings the 62nd T or C Open Golf Tournament.
- September is a blast with the Hot Springs Festival, a street block party celebrating the fact that T or C is a hot springs destination. Also lots of fun are the Balloon Regatta and Elephant Man Triathlon five miles away.
- October is fun time at the County Fair, and this year is the 62nd Old-Time Fiddlers State Competition.
- November brings more holiday fun at the 13th anual Veteran's Day Car Show, plus a Bike Run and Rodeo to support the Veterans Memorial Park and Military Museum.
- December winds up the party season with tree lighting ceremonies, floating parade of lights, luminaria beachwalks, and an old fashioned Christmas when the downtown streets are closed, and stores stay open for late holiday shopping.
In your state (or any state you may be familiar with) what is the most eclectic city AND name…
The name came in 1949 when the old-time radio show Truth or Consequences host, Ralph Edwards, asked the nation to change the name of their town to honor the show’s tenth anniversary. [/quote]
Truth or Consequences | Old Time Radio
Quote:
what is the most electic small town (or small city) as well?
“We’ve been waiting for you” has been the town’s mantra since1950 when it changed its name from “Hot Springs” to “Truth or Consequences.”
Quote:
Pick from some or all of the criteria below…Places that have lots of artists and artistry
- T or C (as it is called by locals) is an artist's haven. Famous NM artists Delmas Howe (living) and H. Joe Waldrum (deceased) have their studio/galleries in T or C. A more recent transplant is El Paso/San Francisco artist Fernando Mercado.
Delmas Howe's Secret New Mexico Place (http://www.nmmagazine.com/my_secret_place_howe_oct10.php - broken link)
- An Art Hop is held monthly on second Saturday. Art galleries and downtown businesses are open to the public, and sidewalk musicians entertain. www.T or Cart.com/
Quote:
Places that thrive off of small businesses, artisan food vendors, perhaps even adverse to chains
- Not too many (only one each of the big chains) and they haven’t broken the back of the art galleries, gift shops, restaurants, thrift stores, and the majority of businesses in this small town of 7,000 souls which are locally owned and operated.
Quote:
Distinct or colorful architecture
- Because T or C is in a flood plane, downstream of several dams and the largest body of water in the southwest, there are many mobile homes adhering to building codes to keep the buildings high off the ground. Trailers and are interspersed with Spanish architecture and Old West style buildings.
Quote:
Places that people wouldn't bat an eye at the sight of a drag queen, hippies, or multiple tattoos and piercings
. Most of the people who live in T or C were either born here, came from a galaxy far far away, or are escapees from insane asylums. A famous saying on local tee shirts is: “We’re all here because we’re not all there.”
- Got 'em. Got cowboys, too, some old hippies, a few Rainbow folks, and several movie star look-alikes. It's true--Richard Gere, John Travolta, and Willie Nelson hang out here. Not too long ago the "real" Jane Fonda and Ted Turner used to hang out here.
Quote:
Places that draw lots of writers and poets
- Does this include Jazz legends like Frank Morgan, Greg Abate, Chris Calloway, and Rashied Ali? http://www.jazzinn.com/JazZ%20in%20T (broken link) or C.html
- This small city of 7,000 has also been treated to Classical performances of Schubert and Bach, brought to town by Delmas Howe.
Quote:
Places that have eclectic or offbeat attractions, could be pertaining to something retro or unusual history
- Truth or Consequences has a retro name and an unusual history of the name change in 1950, when the citizens voted to change their name to that of a radio show that was famous in its own time, and perhaps even today.
Quote:
Spiritual places, or locations with unconventional or unusual religious and spiritual practices
- Tibetan monk (the Venerable Lama Karma Rinchen) has a home in T or C and has established a meditation center and puja.
- Also, Truth or Consequences is a place that has been frequented by famous “psychic” mediums like “Bartholomew” and “Abraham-Hicks.”
Quote:
Places that are especially lyrical or has a high number of musical venues and/or street performers
- Home of the New Mexico Old Time Fiddlers State Championship in October 2012, and a venue where jazz greats and classical musicians have performed. Nowadays you can find Sixties Oldies music by “Me and My Baby,” and R&B Funk by Iya Khan.
Quote:
Specific location or topography (beach, mountains, canyons, vortices, hot springs, parks) that would inspire eclectic people to come together there
- There are lakes and sandy beaches five miles away in Elephant Butte Lake State Park and Caballo Lake State Park. T or C is in Sierra County (meaning mountains) north of the Black Range mountains, and nearby is the Monticello Box canyon. A fabulous hike is up Turtleback Mountain, the southernmost peak of the Caballo Mountain Range, named for the mustangs that roamed the area after the coming of the Spanish in the 16th century.
- Hot Springs is the city's former name, and it is where the largest hot springs basin in the state of NM resides:
- State of the art museum featuring a larger collection of Mimbres pottery than is displayed at the Smithsonian, and a mastodon skull found in the area that recalls an era long forgotten.
- Prehistoric grinding holes and hornos (Spanish for ovens) dug into a rock outcropping near the Rio Grande river. These are so deep, and so old, that nobody knows their origin except that the ancient Mimbres came here to prepare their ceremonial food after soaking in the hot mineral marsh that today is the hot springs of Truth or Consequences.
- Replica of Vietnam Wall in Veterans Memorial Park.
- Weekend tour rides from T or C to Spaceport America in nearby Engel, the first commercial into outer space.
- There's always plenty to do, besides shopping in the quaint shops downtown and going to the nearby lakes. If you'll permit me this long list, here's a thumbnail of annual events in Truth or Consequences, plus a few only five miles away.
- Summer and fall is REAL party time in T or C.
- May is the 62nd annual Truth or Consequences Fiesta (Spanish for festival) celebrating the name change from Hot Springs to Truth or Consequences in 1950. The main streets downtown close down for a parade, games and vendors in the Ralph Edwards Park.
- June brings the Junior Open Fishing Tournament on Father's Day, or you might want to drive to nearby Winston-Chloride-Dusty & Chiz (named for Cochise) and enjoy their annual Fiesta.
- July boasts the biggest fireworks show in the state, reflected on the state's largest lake five miles away.
- August brings the 62nd T or C Open Golf Tournament.
- September is a blast with the Hot Springs Festival, a street block party celebrating the fact that T or C is a hot springs destination. Also lots of fun are the Balloon Regatta and Elephant Man Triathlon five miles away.
- October is fun time at the County Fair, and this year is the 62nd Old-Time Fiddlers State Competition.
- November brings more holiday fun at the 13th anual Veteran's Day Car Show, plus a Bike Run and Rodeo to support the Veterans Memorial Park and Military Museum.
- December winds up the party season with tree lighting ceremonies, floating parade of lights, luminaria beachwalks, and an old fashioned Christmas when the downtown streets are closed, and stores stay open for late holiday shopping.
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Truth or Consequences Most Eclectic Town
