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Old 04-06-2012, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Appalachian New York, Formerly Louisiana
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I disagree with your boundaries and really,there is no real final authority. Even state developed maps differ. I put the boundary above Dutchess and Ulster. I know more than a few people from Jefferson county and the Adirondacks/North Country who consider anything south of Albany to be downstate.

In my opinion, cullturally speaking, rural downstaters are much like rural upstaters. Urban/suburban downstaters are much like urban/suburban upstaters.

The biggest cultural/regional differences in NY are east/west and urban/rural, not north/south. And the southern tier is a whole different world from upstate, downstate, central or western NY. It is Appalachia.
Alright, I can agree with this actually.

I am from the southern tier, maybe that's why I feel there is such a big divide.
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Old 04-06-2012, 10:08 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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Alright, I can agree with this actually.

I am from the southern tier, maybe that's why I feel there is such a big divide.
I have to say Cookie that I often disagree with your opinions on New York State. I believe you way overemphasize the "Appalachia" thing for New York as a whole, but like you say, that could be because you are from the Southern Tier. However, I do commend you for always stating your opinion in a friendly manner, that is key.

As for Long Island, we are divided into the North Shore & South Shores, the East End, North Fork, South Fork, the West End (rare) and Pine Barrens.
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Old 04-06-2012, 11:38 PM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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North of Gainesville, people call it The Real Florida.
Which "people"? The Palin Family?
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Old 04-07-2012, 12:04 AM
 
Location: Appalachian New York, Formerly Louisiana
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I have to say Cookie that I often disagree with your opinions on New York State. I believe you way overemphasize the "Appalachia" thing for New York as a whole, but like you say, that could be because you are from the Southern Tier. However, I do commend you for always stating your opinion in a friendly manner, that is key.

As for Long Island, we are divided into the North Shore & South Shores, the East End, North Fork, South Fork, the West End (rare) and Pine Barrens.
I honestly try not to be a jerk about things. And when I'm wrong, and that happens, I do my best to admit it. I probably come off a lot worse through text than if I were talking to you in person.

As far as my experiences in NY, I've never lied or exaggerated. And I even took pictures of my old home to prove it (they are right here at CD). I guess I just came from a very (ignored?) sub-culture in the state.

Maybe I'm the only one with internet access. lol

I am starting to think it may be exclusive to the southern tier. As often the people who agree with me are also from that region.
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Old 04-07-2012, 02:37 AM
 
Location: northern Vermont - previously NM, WA, & MA
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Which "people"? The Palin Family?
LOL! I'm going to have to give you a big high five on this one.
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Old 04-08-2012, 05:16 PM
 
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Nuts.

The greater spatial area of NY has a totally different citizenry than downstate.

Upstate and the city are completely different cultures and people. You can't argue differently because it is blatantly obvious. Go to a county fair in Morris or Walton, and you will see they are nothing alike.
Please re-read what I wrote. I did not say they were exactly the same. I gave some similarities between the urban centers of upstate and downstate. Nowhere did I say that they had the same culture. A person from Syracuse or Rochester metro area will have more in common with somebody from Long Island or Westchester than they would with somebody from Hamilton county or Endicott.
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Old 04-08-2012, 08:29 PM
 
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In Minnesota, the most prominent divisions are "The Cites" (MSP Metro, where the bulk of the state's population lives), "The Range" (the area around the Mesabi and Vermillion Iron Ranges which are ethnically and economically distinct), and pretty much the rest of the state.
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Old 04-08-2012, 08:37 PM
 
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Nebraska:

Outside of Omaha-Lincoln has called 'out-state' Nebraska which has angered many people. News stations quit using that term because it made too many rural citizens angry.

Another one would be the panhandle, the sandhills, central Nebraska (tri-cities region with counties just to the north and south), northeast Nebraska, Metro nebraska (Omaha/Lincoln/Fremont) and southeast nebraska. These are cultural boundaries which has - in some cases - been following topographic boundaries.
Same thing here in MN. The "outstaters" insisted on their parts of the state being called "Greater Minnesota", which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, since "greater" used geographically means the area plus the surrounding areas. For example, Greater St Louis means St Louis city plus all of the surrounding area. So Greater MN would mean MN plus the surrounding states.
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Old 04-08-2012, 08:41 PM
 
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Upstate NY (everything north of Rockland and Westchester counties) and downstate NY(everything below).

Extremely different in terms of appearence but still very similar in terms of the people.
I agree with your definition of upstate and downstate 100%! That's how I learned it when growing up there. Just curious, are you a native or a transplant?
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Old 04-08-2012, 08:47 PM
 
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North of I-80, the culture and the built environment are similar to the southern tier of upstate New York. South of I-80 is where most of the action has been throughout Pennsylvania's history, so most things that are considered "quintessential Pennsylvania" originated from there.
Well, don't forget America's first oil well in NW PA and the anthracite mining industry in NE PA. They are "quintessential PA" to me.
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