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Old 04-10-2012, 05:53 PM
 
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Wikipedia has updated the 2011 United States metro populations with current population estimates.

Table of United States Metropolitan Statistical Areas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I was surprised to see the uptick in Miami's population growth rate. Almost 2 percent! Atlanta has taken a beating. From 2000-2007 Atlanta was growing at nearly 3 percent a year, but has fallen to 1.7 percent.

Philadelphia is rapidly losing its standing among America's largest metro areas. During the 2000s it lost its place to Dallas-Ft. Worth and after the first year on the 2010s it has lost another place to Houston. If current growth rates continue it will be surpassed by Washington DC, Miami, and Atlanta by 2020.

Interestingly, even though it is clear that population growth as slowed down quite a bit in the first year of this decade, several of America's biggest metros are showing resurgences in growth. Of the top ten metros in the country, the only one of them to have a significant reduction in growth is Atlanta, and several of them are posting their highest growth rate in years (San Fran, LA, DC).

How are your all's metros holding up compared to how they grew in the 2000s?
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Old 04-10-2012, 06:19 PM
 
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Philadelphia is rapidly losing its standing among America's largest metro areas. During the 2000s it lost its place to Dallas-Ft. Worth and after the first year on the 2010s it has lost another place to Houston. If current growth rates continue it will be surpassed by Washington DC, Miami, and Atlanta by 2020.
Philadelphia has for all of the history of the census been a huge city, and metro, but it does seem like it is dropping fast in the last few decades.

Apart from it being passed by DC, Miami and ATL on the metro level, it looks like it is going to lose its 5th largest city status too.

Phoenix city and San Antonio city looks like they will be passing Philly by 2020 too
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Old 04-10-2012, 06:31 PM
 
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Atlanta has taken a beating. From 2000-2007 Atlanta was growing at nearly 3 percent a year, but has fallen to 1.7 percent.
It's not breakneck growth, but pretty respectable and much more sustainable. I want to see Atlanta grow in a more qualitative way these days anyway.
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Old 04-10-2012, 06:42 PM
 
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Philadelphia has for all of the history of the census been a huge city, and metro, but it does seem like it is dropping fast in the last few decades.

Apart from it being passed by DC, Miami and ATL on the metro level, it looks like it is going to lose its 5th largest city status too.

Phoenix city and San Antonio city looks like they will be passing Philly by 2020 too
According to the list, it looks like Philadelphia is still ahead of those metros and still added people. It does look like it may be a matter of time though.
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Old 04-10-2012, 06:51 PM
 
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According to the list, it looks like Philadelphia is still ahead of those metros and still added people. It does look like it may be a matter of time though.
huh? Its not 2020 yet. He said they will pass Philly in 2020, so why would they not be behind Philly on the list still.

You have me confused. If the current rate is maintained, DC will move up to 6 in 4 years, Miami in 5 and ATL in 8. What does Philly still being ahead in 2011 have to with it???
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Old 04-10-2012, 07:27 PM
 
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huh? Its not 2020 yet. He said they will pass Philly in 2020, so why would they not be behind Philly on the list still.

You have me confused. If the current rate is maintained, DC will move up to 6 in 4 years, Miami in 5 and ATL in 8. What does Philly still being ahead in 2011 have to with it???
For the Philly area to stay ahead of those other cities in the future decades, it's going to need to add some more counties to its MSA. Oddly in the future, Philly area could fall out of the top 10 but still be the 4th largest market based on raw population numbers.
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Old 04-10-2012, 07:28 PM
 
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Wikipedia has updated the 2011 United States metro populations with current population estimates.
Haha, it was probably someone from the City-Data forums.


On the issue of Philadelphia, here's the thing. I don't think anybody from this region wants the type of massive growth that's fueling other regions and causing them to surpass the Delaware Valley. The area is already crowded enough as is. Falling in the rankings isn't necessarily a bad thing - a place can grow (as is Philadelphia) and yet drop in the rankings because other places are growing faster. Not to mention that in terms of area, the Delaware Valley is smaller than the metros that have passed it or are about to pass it. It makes sense that Philly would eventually fall in the rankings, this is nothing to be ashamed of or worried about.
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Old 04-10-2012, 08:14 PM
 
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Haha, it was probably someone from the City-Data forums.


On the issue of Philadelphia, here's the thing. I don't think anybody from this region wants the type of massive growth that's fueling other regions and causing them to surpass the Delaware Valley. The area is already crowded enough as is. Falling in the rankings isn't necessarily a bad thing - a place can grow (as is Philadelphia) and yet drop in the rankings because other places are growing faster. Not to mention that in terms of area, the Delaware Valley is smaller than the metros that have passed it or are about to pass it. It makes sense that Philly would eventually fall in the rankings, this is nothing to be ashamed of or worried about.
I see what you mean.The census rankings sometimes doesn't really show the reality of how big an area really is. The Philly area is the perfect example of that. The Philly MSA used to be around 7,000 sq. miles. Today the Philly MSA at 7,000 sq. miles would reach a population of 7,000,000 people. This is one of the reasons why the Philly area is still the 4th largest market. It seems a lot more fair when applying this metric for the Philly area. This is how the census rankings for Metro areas would look like in that regard.

Population Rankings
1. New York MSA(11,842 sq. miles)...........18,897,109
2. Los Angeles MSA(4850.3 sq. miles)........12,828,837
3. Chicago MSA(9,581 sq. miles)...............9,461,105
4. Philadelphia MSA(7,000 sq. miles)..........7,000,000
5. Dallas MSA(9,286 sq. miles)..................6,371,773
6. Houston MSA(10,062 sq miles)..............5,946,800
7. Washington MSA(5,564.6 sq mi)............5,582,170
8. Miami MSA(6,137 sq. miles)..................5,564,635
9. Atlanta MSA(8,376 sq. miles)................5,268,860
10. Boston MSA(4,674 sq. miles)..............,4,552,402
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Old 04-10-2012, 08:34 PM
 
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I see what you mean.The census rankings sometimes doesn't really show the reality of how big an area really is. The Philly area is the perfect example of that. The Philly MSA used to be around 7,000 sq. miles. Today the Philly MSA at 7,000 sq. miles would reach a population of 7,000,000 people. This is one of the reasons why the Philly area is still the 4th largest market. It seems a lot more fair when applying this metric for the Philly area. This is how the census rankings for Metro areas would look like in that regard.

Population Rankings
1. New York MSA(11,842 sq. miles)...........18,897,109
2. Los Angeles MSA(4850.3 sq. miles)........12,828,837
3. Chicago MSA(9,581 sq. miles)...............9,461,105
4. Philadelphia MSA(7,000 sq. miles)..........7,000,000
5. Dallas MSA(9,286 sq. miles)..................6,371,773
6. Houston MSA(10,062 sq miles)..............5,946,800
7. Washington MSA(5,564.6 sq mi)............5,582,170
8. Miami MSA(6,137 sq. miles)..................5,564,635
9. Atlanta MSA(8,376 sq. miles)................5,268,860
10. Boston MSA(4,674 sq. miles)..............,4,552,402
where are you getting your land areas from?

Houston is 8,929 sq mi and DFW is 8,991 sq mi according to the census
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8,929 sq mi (23,130 km2). is land area,
Dallas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Houston
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Old 04-10-2012, 08:44 PM
 
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Haha, it was probably someone from the City-Data forums.


On the issue of Philadelphia, here's the thing. I don't think anybody from this region wants the type of massive growth that's fueling other regions and causing them to surpass the Delaware Valley. The area is already crowded enough as is. Falling in the rankings isn't necessarily a bad thing - a place can grow (as is Philadelphia) and yet drop in the rankings because other places are growing faster. Not to mention that in terms of area, the Delaware Valley is smaller than the metros that have passed it or are about to pass it. It makes sense that Philly would eventually fall in the rankings, this is nothing to be ashamed of or worried about.
In terms of Urban area though, DFW, Houston, Miami and DC all have smallere Urban areas. Only ATL has a larger UA than Philly. Boston's UA is even bigger than Philly's

so it is a bit disingenuous to say that the ones that Pass Philly are bigger.

If you add up the Four UAs in Houston's MSA ( Houston, TW , Lake jackson and Texas City, you get the same population of Philly's UA in a slightly smaller area.


UA"s in Houston MSA:
Houston, TX 4944332
Conroe--The Woodlands, TX 239938
Texas City, TX 106383
Lake Jackson--Angleton, TX 74830
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