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View Poll Results: What do you think is the Divide Line between North and South?
Interstate 70 4 5.33%
U.S. Route 50 8 10.67%
Mason-Dixie Line & Ohio River 39 52.00%
U.S. Route 60 13 17.33%
Other 15 20.00%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 75. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-03-2012, 12:36 AM
 
Location: Jefferson City 4 days a week, St. Louis 3 days a week
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Scholars put the start date at 1910, WC Handy wrote STL blues in '14.
I dont think the blues had to come up the river, the blues were alive and well at the STL docks, and had been since the cotton trade started.
At least, thats what my music profs at Mizzou taught.
According to this article, that's exactly what happened.

Explore St. Louis | Standing At The Crossroads – St. Louis Music History
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Old 05-03-2012, 12:44 AM
 
Location: Tennessee Delta
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I've heard it from several people in TN. They think that just because the culture in New Orleans is different from the rest of the South, that makes it not Southern.

I've noticed a lot of people in TN have a limited view of the South, I guess because we're such a quintessentially Southern state. They think that whatever isn't directly around them isn't really the South. Some people don't even consider Arkansas part of the South because it's West of the Mississippi and that makes it Western, but I've only heard that a couple times. But Florida, you can forget about that one too, the whole thing. No, not everyone thinks this way, but I hear it a lot.

Oh and Texas too. I hear tons of people say "Texas isn't the South, Texas is just Texas"
I had someone try to tell me that Arkansas wasn't in the South as well. I laughed at them and told them to take their opinion to Northeast Arkansas and see what they thought.

When primarily rural counties are above 15% Black, chances are you are in the South. The distinctions across that dividing line aren't hard to see along the Mississippi River. If someone tries to claim that a town like Perryville or Sainte Genevieve is part of the South, they obviously have little to no experience with the area or they mistake rural for being southern.

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Old 05-03-2012, 05:54 AM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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According to this article, that's exactly what happened.

Explore St. Louis | Standing At The Crossroads St. Louis Music History
I loved my music history classes.
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Old 05-03-2012, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Jefferson City 4 days a week, St. Louis 3 days a week
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I loved my music history classes.
I meant that they started in the Mississippi Delta and came up the river...but given St. Louis' pre-Civil War history it probably had a greater predisposition to the blues.
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Old 05-03-2012, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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I meant that they started in the Mississippi Delta and came up the river...but given St. Louis' pre-Civil War history it probably had a greater predisposition to the blues.
Exactly.
What I meant abot loving my music history classes was the profs didnt just teach classical music history, they taught what had happened right in MO, from the French-influenced fiddlers right in the Sainte Genevieve area, to how the blues, jazz, and be-bop were influenced by local STL musicians.
Pretty cool stuff, but I'm geeky that way.
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Old 05-03-2012, 01:28 PM
 
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stlouisan, where do most people from St. Louis come from/go to? I've never seen it on the Forbes migration map.
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Old 05-03-2012, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Vineland, NJ area
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I would say the "Potomac River" is the true dividing line between the Northeast and the South, and the "Ohio River" for dividing the Midwest and the South.
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Old 05-03-2012, 05:17 PM
 
Location: NC
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For me, it's Fredericksburg in the east. It's a little difficult once you get past the Apps, but the Ohio River is a pretty good marker.
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Old 05-04-2012, 09:45 AM
 
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But in all seriousness. Geographically speaking, which is the most logical and most real option. The exact mid point of the lower 48 is 5 miles north of Lebanon, Kansas. Anything south of that is technically in the south, and anything north of that is north. If you drew that line directly east, it literally goes to the border of MD/PA.

So technically speaking, Maryland southward is in the south, geographically (the only thing that really matters in determining what is north and what is south). And Lol at you people saying the south ends in northern florida. It ends in Key west, in the lower 48 anyways. This was all determined by using the REAL TRUE map of the world, on google. Not those incorrect maps that have Maine further north than north dakota etc.

Culturally speaking (which i really could give a crap about) the south is virginia southward (nova not being included for obvious reasons).

Climatically speaking it is also from Virginia southward, according to NOAA. The virginia coast is the most northern part of the east coast that remains ice free. Maryland northward this isnt the case. Also virginia southward to florida is considered to be in the humid subtropical climate zone, whereas maryland northward is considered to be in the humid continental climate zone.

Also fauna and flora etc are generally the same from Virginia southward. The palmetto (found as far north as eastern virginia) and spanish moss (found as far north as southeastern virginia) being prime examples.

But out of all the criteria, eg; geographically, climatically, culturally, fauna and flora. The most important thing, and the only thing that matters, is geography. And geography clearly shows the MD/PA line westward to be the dividing line between north and south in this country. I'd say climatically would come second, fauna and flora third, and culturally coming dead last.

I dont recognize the ''mid atlantic region'' because it is nothing more than a sub region that has southeastern states (nc,va,md) lumped with northeastern states (PA,DE, NJ, NY) , it isnt an official region, its more or less a ''region'' that transplants from the north made because they dont wanna be associated with the ''south'' when they moved to states like VA and NC. If there ever was a true mid atlantic region, it would consist of NC, and VA, even though they are in the southern half of the country, they are in the middle part of the eastern seaboard, quite literally. Remember the northern tip of maine is on the same latitude as the middle of North dakota.

Most of the country though seems to perceive maryland northward being the north and virginia southward being the south. Maryland falls in with the northeast corridor



Whereas Virginia to florida is considered to be in the southeast corridor.



But i dont just go by the east coast alone, I go by the entire lower 48, and when you include all of the lower 48, MD southward is in the southern half of the country.

But culturally speaking, which you guys seem to only care about, DC northward is northeast, virginia southward is south/southeast.

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Old 05-04-2012, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Jefferson City 4 days a week, St. Louis 3 days a week
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stlouisan, where do most people from St. Louis come from/go to? I've never seen it on the Forbes migration map.
They go all over the country, like every place else. As far as the Great Migration, most migrants came from the south.
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