Harlem. south central or cabrini green (crime, credit, neighborhoods)
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As was pointed out though, it's not an entirely accurate comparison due to the fact that Cabrini Green as I understand refers to an area of housing projects, not a large neighborhood a la Harlem and South Central. Even in their heyday of notoriety, Harlem and South Central have always had at least a few pockets of middle class and lower-middle class, people who owned their own homes, and tidy streets. Cabrini Green is basically isolating the worst part of a bad neighborhood. A more apt comparison would be Chicago's Austin neighborhood with Harlem and South Central, or in comparing Cabrini Green to Brooklyn's Marcy Projects.
Even in their heyday of notoriety, Harlem and South Central have always had at least a few pockets of middle class and lower-middle class, people who owned their own homes, and tidy streets.
Really, you mean the Harlem which was 98% black?
What neighborhoods of Harlem were well off? If you read the Wikipedia article, everyone gave up on Harlem. The people didn't want to move there, nobody wanted to buy the buildings, even the city gave up on them. Harlem was bad throughout, there was not ONE good pocket. If there was they would get smoked by the majority ghetto. Nobody is that crazy.
But I agree about the projects. Choose any Harlem projects or better yet Brownsville, Brooklyn which is also a Project metrapolis.
Harlem is a neighborhood in the New York Cityborough of Manhattan, long known as a major black cultural and business center. After being associated for much of the twentieth century with black culture, but also crime and poverty, it is now experiencing a social and economic
renaissance.
The high cost of space forced people to live in close quarters, and the population density of Harlem in these years was stunning — over 215,000 per square mile in the 1920s. By comparison, Manhattan as a whole had a population density under 70,000 per square mile in 2000.[23] The same forces that allowed landlords to charge more for Harlem space also enabled them to maintain it less, and many of the residential buildings in Harlem fell into disrepair. The 1960 census showed only 51% of housing in Harlem to be "sound," as opposed to 85% elsewhere in New York City.[24] In 1968, the New York City Buildings Department received 500 complaints daily of rats in Harlem buildings, falling plaster, lack of heat, and unsanitary plumbing.[4] Tenants were sometimes to blame; some would strip wiring and fixtures from their buildings to sell, throw garbage in hallways and airshafts, or otherwise deteriorate the properties which they lived in or visited.[25]
As the building stock decayed, landlords converted many buildings into "single room occupancies," or SROs, essentially private homeless shelters. In many cases, the income from these buildings could not support the fines and city taxes charged to their owners, or the houses suffered damage that would have been expensive to fix, and the buildings were abandoned. In the 1970s, this process accelerated to the point that Harlem, for the first time since before WWI, had a lower population density than the rest of Manhattan. Between 1970 and 1980, for example, Frederick Douglass Boulevard between 110th Street and 125th Street in central Harlem lost 42% of its population and 23% of its remaining housing stock.[26] By 1987, 65% of the buildings in Harlem were owned by the City of New York,[27][28] and many had become empty shells, convenient centers for drug dealing and other antisocial activity. The lack of habitable buildings and falling population reduced tax rolls and made the neighborhood even less attractive to residential and retail investment.
Since the arrival of blacks in Harlem, the neighborhood has suffered from unemployment rates higher than the New York average (generally more than twice as high),[45] and high mortality rates as well. In both cases, the numbers for men have been consistently worse than the numbers for women. Unemployment and poverty in the neighborhood resisted private and governmental initiatives to ameliorate them. In the 1960s, uneducated blacks could find jobs more easily than educated ones could, confounding efforts to improve the lives of people who lived in the neighborhood through education.[46]Infant mortality was 124 per thousand in 1928 (twice the rate for whites).[47] By 1940, infant mortality in Harlem was 5% (one black infant in twenty would die), still much higher than white, and the death rate from disease generally was twice that of the rest of New York. Tuberculosis was the main killer, and four times as prevalent among Harlem blacks than among New York's white population.[47] A 1990 study reported that 15-year-old black women in Harlem had a 65% chance of surviving to age 65, about the same as women in India. Black men in Harlem, on the other hand, had a 37% chance of surviving to age 65, about the same as men in Angola.[48] Infectious diseases and diseases of the circulatory system were to blame, with a variety of contributing factors including the deep-fried foods traditional to the neighborhood, which may contribute to heart disease. Harlem has one of the highest asthma rates in the United States. Increased risk of asthma may be brought about by high particulate matter from the diesel emissions of buses and trucks, which levels are higher in Harlem than elsewhere in New York City
1940 statistics show about 100 murders per year in Harlem, "but rape is very rare."[31] By 1950, essentially all of the whites had left Harlem and by 1960, the black middle class had gone. At the same time, control of organized crime shifted from Jewish and Italian syndicates to local black, Puerto Rican, and Cuban groups that were somewhat less formally organized.[50]At the time of the 1964 riots, the drug addiction rate in Harlem was ten times higher than the New York City average, and twelve times higher than the United States as a whole. Of the 30,000 drug addicts then estimated to live in New York City, 15,000 to 20,000 lived in Harlem. Property crime was pervasive, and the murder rate was six times higher than New York's average. Half of the children in Harlem grew up with one parent, or none, and lack of supervision contributed to juvenile delinquency; between 1953 and 1962, the crime rate among young people increased throughout New York City, but was consistently 50% higher in Harlem than in New York City as a whole.[52] Injecting heroin grew in popularity in Harlem through the 1950s and 1960s, though the use of this drug then leveled off. In the 1980s, use of crack cocaine became widespread, which produced collateral crime as addicts stole to finance their purchasing of additional drugs, and as dealers fought for the right to sell in particular regions, or over deals gone bad.
By some measures, the 1970s were the worst period in Harlem's history. Many of those Harlemites who were able to escape from poverty left the neighborhood in search of safer streets, better schools and homes. Those who remained were the poorest and least skilled, with the fewest opportunities for success. Though the federal government's Model Cities Administration spent $100 million on job training, health care, education, public safety, sanitation, housing, and other projects over a ten year period, Harlem showed no appreciable difference.[75]
The deterioration shows up starkly in the statistics of the period. In 1968, Harlem's infant mortality rate had been 37 for each 1000 live births, as compared to 23.1 in the city as a whole. Over the next eight years, infant mortality for the city as whole improved to 19, while the rate in Harlem increased to 42.8, more than double. Statistics describing illness, drug addiction, housing quality, and education are similarly grim and typically show rapid deterioration in the 1970s. The wholesale abandonment of housing, described in the "Ghettoization" section above, was so pronounced that between 1976 and 1978 alone, central Harlem lost almost a third of its total population, and east Harlem lost about 27%.[75] The neighborhood no longer had a functioning economy; stores were shuttered and by estimates published in 1971, 60% of the area's economic life depended on the cash flow from the illegal "Numbers game" alone.[76
The worst part of Harlem was the "Bradhurst section" between Adam Clayton Powell Jr. Boulevard and Edgecombe, from 139th Street through 155th. In 1991, this region was described in the New York Times as follows: "Since 1970, an exodus of residents has left behind the poor, the uneducated, the unemployed. Nearly two-thirds of the households have incomes below $10,000 a year. In a community with one of the highest crime rates in the city, garbage-strewn vacant lots and tumbledown tenements, many of them abandoned and sealed, contribute to the sense of danger and desolation that pervades much of the area."[77
Say what you want about Compton, South Central, Cabrini Green etc etc the sheer misery of Harlem was something worse than living in the streets of a 3rd world country. Read that article.....I was shocked when I read it. The crime, poverty, and basic way of life in Harlem IMO was unbelivable.
The only reason Harlem isn't mentioned as much today is because it's doing way better now. The South Bronx was similar to Harlem....and it still is awful. That's why it gets mentioned more today. Harlem, should not be forgotten IMO.
Harlem was something else. And NOTHING and I mean NOTHING compares to it.
It may sound biased because I have a strong belief that NY during the crack epidemic was the worst place ever but IMO a better question would be between which was worse...Harlem or South Bronx.
sure ur going to pick harlem bcuz ur a homer like futurecop. my pick is btween south central and cabrini.
lol dipset is from harlem and they got chased out there own nieghborhood by some bronx thugs. lol and stop posting up stuff from 50 years ago. i wonder why these NY guys try to make they city likes its more dangerous than it really is. cali and chicago gangs dont believe you. lol thats a fact
sure ur going to pick harlem bcuz ur a homer like futurecop. my pick is btween south central and cabrini.
lol dipset is from harlem and they got chased out there own nieghborhood by some bronx thugs. lol and stop posting up stuff from 50 years ago
You picking South Central doesnt make you a homer? Nice double standard.
Again stop bringing rap into it. If they got chased out, which you have no proof of, its because they got big. Other than Fat Joe who still strong in the hood, I dont know of any rapper who stays in the Hood once he gets famous.
Big L was shot on his block in Harlem after he got big. 50 Cents lives in a mansion in CT, cause he got beef in his south Jamaica hood.
The smart thing for them to do was leave.
Also if you could actually read, the poster asks for their "heyday" which was worse. This means when they were at there absolute worse, which was worse. If Harlem happened to be worse in the 70's then so be it. But today Harlem is still pretty bad.
Think about it, has any ghetto lasted longer than Harlem? Harlem's been banging since the 1940's. It's because of Harlem that the South Bronx became what it was. It's right over the bridge. Im telling you....Harlem stay banging.
Yeah really Cabrini Green isn't comparable to South Central and Harlem.The only reason I siad it was the worst is because they are bad projects,out of all the projects I've read about they were the worst.But Cabrini Green is sorrounded by rich areas,and they've already torn down most of Cabrini Green.I don't really know between South Central and Harlem which one is worse,both are dangerous.I guess It might be Harlem since it is compacted into a smaller area,while South Central is a larger area.South Central on its whole area probably has more crime then Harlem,but again Harlem is a much smaller area.
oh i was just reading and i didnt know south central Los angeles was south LA. if that is the case then south LA wins by far and thats where most of LA crime goes down.
South Los Angeles is a notoriously dangerous region of the City of Los Angeles, as it gave birth to the Bloods, Crips, 38th St. Gang, 18th Street gang, MS-13, Florencia 13 and other dangerous gangs. Also, a majority of gang wars take place there, as well as racial violence between African-Americans and Latinos.
i say this is not fair. thats like comparing the south side of chicago against harlem.
these are the gangs in the south central area
these are the hispanic ones first
Hacienda Village Bloods
Harvard Park Brims, 62 Mad Swan Bloods
Miller Gangster Bloods Neighbor Hood Rollin 20s
Outlaw 20s
Pacoima Pirus
Pueblo Bloods, 52
Queen Street Bloods, 76 Block
Rollin 50s Brim
Van Ness Gangsters
Water Front Pirus
and the crip gangs
101 Crip Gangs Addicted to Crime Avalon 40's Crips Avalon Gangster Crips 53 Avalon Ganster Crips, 116 Avalon Garden Crips 88 Back Street Crips Beach Town Mafia Crips Big Daddyz (BDZ) Blunt Smoking Only Gang BOGC Born To Jacc Crips 73rdst Broadway Gangster Crips, 112 Broadway Gangster Crips, 52 Burnside Avenue Crip Gang By Yourself Hustler Crips Compton Avenue Crips, 95 Dirty Old Man Gang Dodge City Crips DSHC 91st East Coast Block Crips, Q102 East Coast Crips, 118 East Coast Crips, 59 East Coast Crips, 62 NHC East Coast Crips, 66 East Coast Crips, 68 East Coast Crips, 69 Shack Boys East Coast Crips, 97 East Side Hustler Crips 104, 108 East Side Hustler Crips 115,118 East Side Players, 97 East Side Ridas, 64 East Side Ridaz, 59 Four Duece Crip Gang (w/s) Four Line Drive Crips Front Street Crips Fudge Town Mafia Crips, 105, 107 Gangster Crips, 42(es) Gangster Crips, 43 Gangster Crips, 43 SS Gangster Crips, 47 Gangster Crips, 48 Gangster Crips, 83 Gangster Crips, 87 Gangster Crips, 96 Gangster Crips, 97 Gangster, Hoover, 52 Geer Gang Crips Grape Street Watts Harbor City Crips Hard Time Hustler Crips, 88, 93 Hard Time Hustler Crips, 78 Hickery Street Watts Crip Holmes Town Crips, 97 Home Boys Crimino Gang Hoover, 107 Hoover, 112 Hoover, 59 Hoover, 74 Hoover, 83 Hoover, 92 Hoover, 94 HSHG Kitchen Crips, 116 Kitchen Crips, 95 LDH 73 Main Street Crips Main Street Mafia Crips Mansfield Gangster Crips Marvin Gangsters Menlo Gangster Crips, 65 Most Valuable Pimp Gangster Crip NBGC Neighbor Hood 90 Crips Neighbor Hood Crips, 106 Neighbor Hood Crips, 111, 112 Neighbor Hood Crips, 46 Neighbor Hood Crips, 55 Neighbor Hood Crips, 57 Neighbor Hood Crips, 59 Neighbor Hood Crips, 67 Neighbor Hood Crips, Lynwood Nothing But TroubleHalldale Crip, 51 NSG Senyo Gang Perverts Pimp Town Murder Squad PJ Watts Crips Play Boy Gangster Crips Play Boy Hustler Crips, 68,69 Play Boy Hustler Crips, 75 Play Boy Style Crips, 106 Play Boy Style Crips, 82 RHG Rollin 30s Original Harlem Crips Rollin 40s Crip Rollin 60s Neighbor Hood Crip Rollin 90s Neighbor Hood Crip Rollin 90s Westcoast Rough Neck Tribe School Yard Crips SSXCG Ten Line Ganster Crips Twilight Zone Crips 110 Venice Shore Line Crips We Dont Care Crips West Boulevard Crip 28 West Boulevard Crips 64 Young Ass Playas
now the asian gangs
Asian Gangs in Los Angeles City (Southern & Central areas)
Atwater Villa Pinoy Real (PR)
Asian Boyz, Westside (ABZ)
Asian Criminals (ACS)
Avenue Oxford Boys (AOB)
Born To Kill Gang (BTK)
Cambodian Boyz
China Town Boyz (CTB)
Crazyies (CYS) - may be inactive
Fliptown Mob (FTM)
Flipside Trece (FS13)
Ken Side Wah Ching (KSWC)
Korean Play Boys (KPB)
Korean Pride (KP)
Korea Town Gangsters (KTG)
Korea Town Mobsters (KTM)
Last Generation Korean Killers (LGKK
Maplewood Jefrox (JFX)
LA Oriental Boys (LAOB)
Lost Boys (LB)
Mental BoyZ (MBZ)
Oriental Lazy Boys (OLB)
Rebel Boys (RBS)
Sonny Side Wah Ching (SSWC)
LA Satanas (STS)
Silly Boys (SYB)
Temple Street (TST)
Tau Gamma Pinoy (TGP)
Tres Cantos (TCS)
Vietnamese Boyz (VBZ)
White Dragon (WD)
and thats just the south LA region and thats why i said its not fair
Walk over there without living there or knowing anybody that does....You aint coming out
i seen that video a while back. see thats in the projects. LA has many of them.lol buckeye u have to come to LA to see what im talking about. so many streets you cant walk down. if ur walking out and about and a gang see's u its a wrap. they dont care who they kill. check out the jordan downs project. the cops are always over there and now they installed camera's all over the buildings
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You picking South Central doesnt make you a homer? Nice double standard.
Again stop bringing rap into it. If they got chased out, which you have no proof of, its because they got big. Other than Fat Joe who still strong in the hood, I dont know of any rapper who stays in the Hood once he gets famous.
Big L was shot on his block in Harlem after he got big. 50 Cents lives in a mansion in CT, cause he got beef in his south Jamaica hood.
The smart thing for them to do was leave.
Also if you could actually read, the poster asks for their "heyday" which was worse. This means when they were at there absolute worse, which was worse. If Harlem happened to be worse in the 70's then so be it. But today Harlem is still pretty bad.
Think about it, has any ghetto lasted longer than Harlem? Harlem's been banging since the 1940's. It's because of Harlem that the South Bronx became what it was. It's right over the bridge. Im telling you....Harlem stay banging.
but im not from LA. but im very close to it bcuz im in southern cali. hey u from New York. ask anyone u know who has been to LA and seen how there gangs are. i know harlem is really bad too but LA is totally diff. so many folks out here just dont get along. look at all those videos on youtube with LA gangs that is killing each other over dumb reasons. the mexicans out here be tripping with every race but mainly blacks. hey u brag about Fat Joe but he ran from 50 cent at that award show and i seen the video too. lol. lol no offence but be honest now Big L didnt get his chance to shine. he didnt even look like a thug. have u heard of stack bundles from far rockaway queens? i liked him and they killed him. but u dont understand alot of LA gangs are now in New York. but out here you dont see any New York gangs or chicago gangs. do u know how many NY rappers who claim they are tough and get expose as fruads. mobb deep,most recently siagon, east new yorks own uncle murder, cam-rom,jim jones, juelz, uni kasa, fat joe,etc. ghost face killa even said NY guys are soft and they aint like LA guys. ill show u the link
Playing devil's advocate, do you think it's because New York is jealous it lost the hip-hop crown? Ghostface Killah: New York lost the crown because the New York deejays gave the crown away for some ****ing money. New York be bull****ting. Right now, I say **** New York. Yeah, I'm from New York, but **** New York. Because *****s is p*ssy. They is so quick to jump on the next man's dick and can't even deal with what they got in front of they face.
That's why I respect other states, man. New York, I don't know -- for some reason we started to get really soft. And now we act like we want that real hip-hop back, when our ****ing deejays is only programmed to play what they playing. They playing more other people's **** than our own ****. *****s is screaming that real hip-hop -- we trying to bring it back but we can't even play that real hip-hop on the radio.
I knew New York was wack when they shot my man Amadou Diallo forty-one ****ing times and ain't nobody stand up. But if that **** happen in L.A. somewhere, they would have went to bat for Amadou Diallo. It would have been hell. Stores getting burnt the **** up. New York don't stand for nothing. They say if you don't stand for something you will fall for anything. But we mad at ourselves and can't even get our **** right. When you look at them other *****s' videos, they popping off and having fun in there. We can't even have fun amongst each other in New York. That's why I say **** New York. That's real talk coming from Ghostface Killah.
South Central? Your being vague Southcentral has a'lot of nieghboorhoods. But I still say South Central, does crack epidemic ring a bell. It started in South LA and worked its way east. Harlem was dangerous back in the day and idk about Cabrini Green
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