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Old 07-10-2012, 08:47 AM
 
Location: New York NY
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They are gaining population but the northeast overall is the slowest growing region in the country. More Specifically The northeast, midwest, west ( cali, oregon and Washington), southeast, southwest in terms of growth. Rural population migration is NOT the main cause of northeast's sluggish growth its urban migration. Thousands of people are leaving NYC, Philadelphia, Hartford, Providence, Boston, Buffalo, Pittsburgh, Baltimore for Atlanta, Miami, Charlotte, Raleigh, Orlando, Richmond, Phoenix, Houston and Dallas.

The only real growth causes in the northeast are now International Immigration, Usually high baby booms in many of these cities and the large population of Financials, Intellectuals, College Students ect that come to the northeast for jobs and education.
Fail.

You're wrong about the cities you mentioned where "thousands of people are leaving." Philadelphia, New York, Boston, Providence, and Hartford all gained population 2000-2010, even if inthe case of Philly, just barely. The three that didn't, Baltimore, Pittsburgh and Buffalo are also old steel towns without the white collar history of these other cities.

For every one who decamps to Raleigh or Houston or Phoenix, the white collar northeastern cities have plenty of newcomers. Living among a lot of smart, affluent asnd intellectual people is bad? Welcoming ambitious immigrants who want to work hard and make a better flife for their kids is bad? Moving somewhere because of jobs and education is bad?

Like I said.

Fail. Epic fail.
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Old 07-10-2012, 10:46 AM
 
Location: The canyon (with my pistols and knife)
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Fail.

You're wrong about the cities you mentioned where "thousands of people are leaving." Philadelphia, New York, Boston, Providence, and Hartford all gained population 2000-2010, even if inthe case of Philly, just barely. The three that didn't, Baltimore, Pittsburgh and Buffalo are also old steel towns without the white collar history of these other cities.
Not to mention that Pittsburgh has been gaining population in the last few years.


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The ten fastest growing states are,
Rank State Percent growth (%)
1 Texas 2.10
2 Utah 1.93
3 Alaska 1.76
4 Colorado 1.74
5 North Dakota 1.69
6 Washington 1.57
7 Oregon 1.42
8 Florida 1.36
9 Georgia 1.32
10 North Carolina 1.27

Although the Northeastern US isn't "losing" population, the rest of the country is growing much faster.
The Northeast has lower birth rates on average than the rest of the United States. That's the biggest factor of all, considering 70% of all population growth/loss is natural, as opposed to migratory.
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Old 07-10-2012, 01:16 PM
 
Location: Boston
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That's to be expected. Besides maybe Florida, the rest of the states are practically empty compared to Northeastern states.
Yeah, I've never understood why some in fast growth/empty locations think this is such a big deal. What they may not realize, is that the whole grow the economy by growing the population routine played in the sunbelt is just a house of cards, and not real growth for the most part.
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Old 07-10-2012, 01:20 PM
 
Location: The City
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Yeah, I've never understood why some in fast growth/empty locations think this is such a big deal. What they may not realize, is that the whole grow the economy by growing the population routine played in the sunbelt is just a house of cards, and not real growth for the most part.

Adjusted for Inflation relative to population growth



Growth rate difference between GDP growth and Population Growth, 2000-2010 Inflation Adjusted
Boston 7.89
Philadelphia 5.94
Chicago 5.89
San Francisco 5.22
Miami 3.73
Washington DC 3.19
Seattle 2.62
Houston 1.85 (Would be interesting if construction were removed)
Dallas 1.58 (Would be interesting if construction were factored in)
Atlanta 1.03 (Very scary if construction were factored in)


So among the fast growers Miami looked to perform best actually

Whos gonna pull away?

Last edited by kidphilly; 07-10-2012 at 01:24 PM.. Reason: Edit: NYC and LA were not included as was only calculated for those in the OP
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Old 07-11-2012, 02:50 AM
 
Location: Hernando County, FL
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Fail.

You're wrong about the cities you mentioned where "thousands of people are leaving." Philadelphia, New York, Boston, Providence, and Hartford all gained population 2000-2010, even if inthe case of Philly, just barely. The three that didn't, Baltimore, Pittsburgh and Buffalo are also old steel towns without the white collar history of these other cities.

For every one who decamps to Raleigh or Houston or Phoenix, the white collar northeastern cities have plenty of newcomers. Living among a lot of smart, affluent asnd intellectual people is bad? Welcoming ambitious immigrants who want to work hard and make a better flife for their kids is bad? Moving somewhere because of jobs and education is bad?

Like I said.

Fail. Epic fail.
Actually the post you replied to was not an "epic fail" as you put it. If you took births and deaths out out the equation in most of the NE cities mentioned then they would be losing population. They have a negative net migration.
Yes, they have other people moving in and due to births does keep the population growing but he was correct about thousands of people leaving.
I would stop him at the point where it is assumed it is all intellectuals and college students moving to those cities though. I know in 2000 the Dominican Republic, China, Jamaica, Guyana, and Mexico represented the largest groups immigrating to NYC, not sure what the current groups are.
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Old 07-11-2012, 04:09 AM
 
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Actually the post you replied to was not an "epic fail" as you put it. If you took births and deaths out out the equation in most of the NE cities mentioned then they would be losing population. They have a negative net migration.
Yes, they have other people moving in and due to births does keep the population growing but he was correct about thousands of people leaving.
I would stop him at the point where it is assumed it is all intellectuals and college students moving to those cities though. I know in 2000 the Dominican Republic, China, Jamaica, Guyana, and Mexico represented the largest groups immigrating to NYC, not sure what the current groups are.
If you took immigration out of the equation, you see less people in many Southern and Western states too. Immigration is a part of the fabric in the US. So, it comes with the territory.

Also, you do get people that leave and come back, as well as people leaving those cities are just moving to the suburbs, in many cases.
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Old 07-11-2012, 05:02 AM
 
Location: Nesconset, NY
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The actual fact is that every state in the northeastern U.S. is GAINING population.

Here are the population changes of states which occurred from 2000 to 2011:
LIGuy1202's edit:"Population Distribution and Change 2000-2010: 2010 Census Brief" US Census Bureau http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/b...c2010br-01.pdf

New York - 488,740 401,645 (+2.1%)

Pennsylvania - 461,832 421,325 (+3.4%)

New Jersey - 406,805 377,544 (+4.5%)

Massachusetts - 238,439 198,532 (+3.1%)

Maryland - 531,803 477,066 (+9.0%)

Connecticut - 175,144 168,532 (+4.9%)

Maine - 53,265 53,438 (+4.2%)

Rhode Island - 2,983 4,248 (+0.4%)

Delaware - 123,535 114,334 (+14.6%)

Vermont - 17,604 16,914 (+2.8%)

New Hampshire - 82,408 80,684 (+6.5%)


The total population of all of these states is 62,257,022. I just wanted to set the record straight. :-)
The US Census Bureau considers the Northeast to include the New England states (shown in Green) and the Mid-Atlantic states (shown in Blue). Maryland and Delaware are not included in the definition.

The Northeast Region gained 1,722,862 (+3.2%, vs. 3.9% Midwest, 14.3% South, 13.8% West)
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Old 07-11-2012, 05:21 AM
 
Location: Nesconset, NY
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The ten fastest growing states are,
Rank State Percent growth (%)
1 Texas 2.10 79.8 96.3
2 Utah 1.93 27.2 33.6
3 Alaska 1.76 1.1 1.2
4 Colorado 1.74 [color="Blue"]41.5[/COLR] 48.5
5 North Dakota 1.69 9.3 9.7
6 Washington 1.57 88.7 101.2
7 Oregon 1.42 35.6 39.9
8 Florida 1.36 298.0 350.6
9 Georgia 1.32 142.3 168.4
10 North Carolina 1.27 165.6 196.1

Although the Northeastern US isn't "losing" population, the rest of the country is growing much faster.
Resident Population Data - 2010 Census

Population Density (sq.mi.) 2000
Population Density (sq.mi.) 2010
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Old 07-11-2012, 05:34 AM
 
Location: Nesconset, NY
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The fastest growing states (by % change from 2000 to 2010): http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2010/b...c2010br-01.pdf

Nevada 35.1
Arizona 24.6
Utah 23.8
Idaho 21.1
Texas 20.6
North Carolina 18.5
Georgia 18.3
Florida 17.6
Colorado 16.9
South Carolina 15.3

It seems to me, these would be the states to avoid since relatively rapid population growth usually causes more quality of life, infrastructure, and cost of living problems. The reasons people begin moving to a state are usually lost once more and more people actually move there.

Last edited by James1202; 07-11-2012 at 05:35 AM.. Reason: typo
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Old 07-11-2012, 05:36 AM
 
Location: Nesconset, NY
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The ten fastest growing states are,
Rank State Percent growth (%)
1 Texas 2.10
2 Utah 1.93
3 Alaska 1.76
4 Colorado 1.74
5 North Dakota 1.69
6 Washington 1.57
7 Oregon 1.42
8 Florida 1.36
9 Georgia 1.32
10 North Carolina 1.27

Although the Northeastern US isn't "losing" population, the rest of the country is growing much faster.
What is your source of the information?
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