Is saying 'sure' like 'shore' an Eastern thing? (home, school)

[pgm123]

There have actually been a lot of studies on dialects of American English, especially the Philadelphia accent. This is because UPenn has done a lot of research about this. I can post some about it, if you like.

[Mightyqueen801]

Originally Posted by pgm123

There have actually been a lot of studies on dialects of American English, especially the Philadelphia accent. This is because UPenn has done a lot of research about this. I can post some about it, if you like.

Sure!

I am always interested in this stuff.

[southernnaturelover]

Originally Posted by Mightyqueen801

It's funny that we can sometimes have such different pronounciations. A friend and I were talking about the thread on the Writing forum where those of us who care about such things smack our foreheads over misused words and phrases. My friend said one that drives her nuts is on real estate sites--people use the term "rod iron" instead of "wrought iron". I was wondering how they could make such an error when "rod" and "wrought" don't even rhyme...and then I realized that in some parts of the country, they might.

I would pronounce that as "rawt iron".

[pgm123]

Originally Posted by Mightyqueen801

Sure!

I am always interested in this stuff.

I'll post some serious ones later, but here's a short guide:
Phillyspeak

On the topic:

I Shore Do

In the cowboy movies I saw as a kid, every real Westerner said "shore" for "sure." So do Philadelphians. For us, "tour" is "tore," rather than "tooer.""You're" and "your" soundexactly like "yore"; "pour" and "poor" the same as "pore."

Also, linguistics have theorized that the mid-Atlantic dialect (especially Philly) was the ancestor dialect of standard American. It's the only non-rhotic dialect on the East Coast (New England to Georgia do not pronounce Rs at the end of words).

[lammius]

Originally Posted by Mightyqueen801

I am in New Jersey, and we say neither. It's "shoor", rhyming with "poor".

We're the same!

[Mightyqueen801]

Originally Posted by southernnaturelover

I would pronounce that as "rawt iron".

That's correct!

[Mightyqueen801]

Originally Posted by pgm123

I'll post some serious ones later, but here's a short guide:
Phillyspeak

On the topic:


Also, linguistics have theorized that the mid-Atlantic dialect (especially Philly) was the ancestor dialect of standard American. It's the only non-rhotic dialect on the East Coast (New England to Georgia do not pronounce Rs at the end of words).

That's absolutely untrue.

I am from northern New Jersey, fifth generation here. We pronounce the Rs at the end of our words. The exception would be a few places close to New York City, such as Jersey City. Many New Yorkers do not pronounce the R, nor do some New Englanders. Now I live in Central Jersey, and people here pronounce their Rs as well.

That's why people from NJ get so annoyed when people from other parts of the country say "Joisey". No one in NJ says it that way. Unless they moved here from Brooklyn or something.

And go a little further south and you can hear the Philly accent having that odd vowel sound for O that I haven't heard anywhere else.

(To others, people from Philadelphia, and by extension, southern NJ, say "foon" for "phone" and "hoom" for "home", etc.)

[Trimac20]

Rhotic and non-rhotic accents - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Scroll down to map of Eastern US to see traditionally non-rhotic areas.

[nephi215]

Its weird because you can hear a good amount of people not pronounce there Rs in Philly, specifically in South Philly and parts of South Jersey.

Steve Martorano on the Streets of South Philly - YouTube

[dreamofmonterey]

Originally Posted by Mightyqueen801

It's funny that we can sometimes have such different pronounciations. A friend and I were talking about the thread on the Writing forum where those of us who care about such things smack our foreheads over misused words and phrases. My friend said one that drives her nuts is on real estate sites--people use the term "rod iron" instead of "wrought iron". I was wondering how they could make such an error when "rod" and "wrought" don't even rhyme...and then I realized that in some parts of the country, they might.

rod iron? Kind of like a realtor who when describing a bedrooom, said (this was in the south ) here is the bedroom suit (she pronounced it like "business suit", ) , instead of "suite"

I had no idea what she meant, until I realized her vocabulary was off.