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Old 07-30-2012, 10:08 AM
 
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I'm liking the General US and City vs City section, new place to hang out. Though, Broadripple you need to look up your facts. Very few people take you seriously on this forum, and here is a big reason why: You sugarcoat Indianapolis as if it were the next Madrid or something. Indianapolis is not the fastest growing city in the Midwest, unless you count Columbus as the Northeast. Columbus grew by 10.6% compared to Indianapolis' 4.9%, more than twice the rate of Indianapolis. Seriously, start posting links if you expect people to take you seriously, let alone believe you. LINKS... Your opinion based as facts gives you no credibility what-so-ever.

The only people who move to Columbus are those from other parts of Ohio.
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Old 07-30-2012, 01:20 PM
 
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I think it's safe to say, that the places people move to that are low cost and low tax so they can 'own' lots of house, land, etc... will eventually become filled with people and those attributes will no longer be available. For many places, this won't happen in our lifetimes, but there are reasons why people are willing to pay large sums of money to live in places like NYC, LA, San Fran, Miami, etc... do I think it's worth it? Yes and no depending on the city... personally I don't think living in NJ is worth it because you pay the cost of being in and around NYC but you don't get the lifestyle. It's too much of a bothersome commute into the city to make it part of a daily routine (that and there is no correlation to my profession's salary in a city like NYC).

I pay just enough money to live as close to the action and amenities possible without breaking the bank or becoming house poor... however, my lifestyle involves lots of outdoor activities in addition to the big city life so the east coast is just not in the stars for me.
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Old 07-30-2012, 02:54 PM
 
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supply and demand really only applies to the east coast......... and yet not alot of people would choose to relocate there. Hence why the East Coast isnt growing much its just holding its own.
Domestic migration is low or even negative in the east coast. what keeps it afloat is international migration. especially in NYC.

Personally i would rather live in Indy and save $$ on housing/taxes/cost of living and use the money saved to vacation to the east coast and the world abroad. but as i said before it depends on the person and priorites. some people like blowing half a million dollars on apartments in NYC. thats fine......... except some people would rather do better.
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It's a supply and demand thing everywhere. That's fine if you like Indy and all, but you come off like people are silly for choosing to live in NYC over Indy. There are over 10 times as many people in metro NYC. I've been to Indy a dozen times for one reason or another. It's fine for what it is, but at least urban wise there's a huge jump between what Indy offers and what a lot of people want in a large, dense walkable city with good mass transit and good high-paying jobs.
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Old 07-30-2012, 04:35 PM
 
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It's a supply and demand thing everywhere. That's fine if you like Indy and all, but you come off like people are silly for choosing to live in NYC over Indy. There are over 10 times as many people in metro NYC. I've been to Indy a dozen times for one reason or another. It's fine for what it is, but at least urban wise there's a huge jump between what Indy offers and what a lot of people want in a large, dense walkable city with good mass transit and good high-paying jobs.

Most of the jobs in NYC do not pay anymore than those in Indy. Same goes for LA. That is why many people move out of those cities so they can buy a house. Philadelphia had an influx of NYC natives due to the lower COL in Pa.
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Old 07-30-2012, 05:28 PM
 
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The only people who move to Columbus are those from other parts of Ohio.
Ohio brings in the third highest amount of Michiganders outside of Texas and Florida, Columbus is a big draw, as is Cleveland and Cincinnati. Check out the Forbes map of where everyone is moving and see all the red lines leaving Michigan (one of only three states to actually decline in population) that are headed right for Franklin County.
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Old 07-30-2012, 05:52 PM
 
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The only people who move to Columbus are those from other parts of Ohio.
true to a degree. however like Indianapolis Columbus gained some net migration.
but Indianapolis grew faster than Columbus and the only reason Columbus grew more % wise is #1 columbus is smaller. 2nd Columbus annexed a bunch of land.
Indianapolis is consolidated with Marion County. have Columbus do that and it would be bigger than San Jose. anyway Indianapolis cant annex more so smaller growth is expected. what you want to look at is the METRO area. where Indianapolis comes out ontop of columbus in growth.

Wrosado you would be surprised how many Michiganders have moved to the Indianapolis-Carmel metro area. well Detroit continues to shrink and go down the toilet Indianapolis already has passed Detroits city in population and if the metro continues losing population in 20-30 years Indy will be bigger than Detroit altogether.
Indiana is a HUGE magnet for people coming in from all our neighbors and even from the midwest and other areas of the country. Indiana is the shining star of the midwest. Illinois is bleeding people into Indiana. Michigan is. Ohio is. heck even Kentucky is although it has the smallest. Also you have to look at the amount of net migration too. if your talking about %s that doesnt give the whole picture.

Also Meat123 you are dead on.
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Old 07-30-2012, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Little Italy, Cleveland
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true to a degree. however like Indianapolis Columbus gained some net migration.
but Indianapolis grew faster than Columbus and the only reason Columbus grew more % wise is #1 columbus is smaller. 2nd Columbus annexed a bunch of land.
Indianapolis is consolidated with Marion County. have Columbus do that and it would be bigger than San Jose. anyway Indianapolis cant annex more so smaller growth is expected. what you want to look at is the METRO area. where Indianapolis comes out ontop of columbus in growth.

Wrosado you would be surprised how many Michiganders have moved to the Indianapolis-Carmel metro area. well Detroit continues to shrink and go down the toilet Indianapolis already has passed Detroits city in population and if the metro continues losing population in 20-30 years Indy will be bigger than Detroit altogether.
Indiana is a HUGE magnet for people coming in from all our neighbors and even from the midwest and other areas of the country. Indiana is the shining star of the midwest. Illinois is bleeding people into Indiana. Michigan is. Ohio is. heck even Kentucky is although it has the smallest. Also you have to look at the amount of net migration too. if your talking about %s that doesnt give the whole picture.

Also Meat123 you are dead on.
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The city of Columbus grew more than twice as fast as Indianapolis. Columbus' inner ring neighborhoods were growing faster than the suburbs, inner ring neighborhoods do not annex. You want to talk about annexation? Indianapolis is 361 square miles compared to Columbus' 217. Columbus is in the same boat as Charlotte or Austin, but even Columbus is smaller than them. Columbus still has plenty of suburbs in Franklin County like Upper Arlington, Dublin, Hilliard, Bexley, Westerville, Worthington, and more. Indianapolis takes up the majority of Marion County. Not to mention Franklin County is also growing faster than Marion County. Also, check out the Forbes thing as well, notice how more people are moving from Marion County to Franklin County?

Ohio's economy is doing better than all of its neighbors. It is on par with Pennsylvania. Ohio created the fourth highest amount of jobs in the country from June 2011-2012. Over 100,000 jobs were created in Ohio:

Table D. States with statistically significant employment changes from
June 2011 to June 2012, seasonally adjusted
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| June | June | Over-the-year
State | 2011 | 2012(p) | change(p)
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Arizona.......................| 2,398,700 | 2,456,700 | 58,000
California....................| 14,047,600 | 14,326,700 | 279,100
Colorado......................| 2,250,800 | 2,284,400 | 33,600
Florida.......................| 7,260,400 | 7,331,300 | 70,900
Georgia.......................| 3,886,200 | 3,928,900 | 42,700
Idaho.........................| 603,800 | 616,100 | 12,300
Indiana.......................| 2,823,700 | 2,875,300 | 51,600
Iowa..........................| 1,470,800 | 1,491,400 | 20,600
Kansas........................| 1,328,000 | 1,343,900 | 15,900
Kentucky......................| 1,787,500 | 1,825,200 | 37,700
| | |
Louisiana.....................| 1,894,300 | 1,947,000 | 52,700
Maryland......................| 2,538,600 | 2,566,800 | 28,200
Massachusetts.................| 3,209,200 | 3,244,500 | 35,300
Michigan......................| 3,931,500 | 3,983,000 | 51,500
Minnesota.....................| 2,675,700 | 2,706,500 | 30,800
Nebraska......................| 943,300 | 958,400 | 15,100
New Jersey....................| 3,849,200 | 3,914,200 | 65,000
New York......................| 8,666,500 | 8,803,400 | 136,900
North Carolina................| 3,926,100 | 3,963,100 | 37,000
North Dakota..................| 393,300 | 419,000 | 25,700
| | |
Ohio..........................| 5,075,900 | 5,175,900 | 100,000
Oklahoma......................| 1,545,600 | 1,586,400 | 40,800
Oregon........................| 1,618,100 | 1,634,000 | 15,900
Pennsylvania..................| 5,692,500 | 5,729,700 | 37,200
Tennessee.....................| 2,641,400 | 2,683,200 | 41,800
Texas.........................| 10,551,900 | 10,783,700 | 231,800
Utah..........................| 1,203,200 | 1,234,500 | 31,300
Virginia......................| 3,675,000 | 3,724,400 | 49,400
Washington....................| 2,814,500 | 2,867,500 | 53,000
West Virginia.................| 746,500 | 757,100 | 10,600

Only four states with over 100,000 new jobs over the year.


Columbus, Cleveland, and Cincinnati each have lower unemployment rates than Indianapolis. Indiana is home to 6 fortune 500 companies, Ohio is home to 29 (we stole one from Kentucky last year). I will give Indiana credit, they have a stable credit rating, but so does Ohio, better than all of its surrounding states including Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Kentucky. Out of all of Ohio's neighbors, Ohio has the lowest unemployment rate. Ohio sits at 7.2%, Indiana at 8%. Indiana is the shinning star of the Midwest? I guess once again Ohio is considered Northeast. I was in Indianapolis not too long ago, I was not impressed. It had nice parts, but you over play it like there is no tomorrow. Get off your high horse, look up the facts, and stop basing your opinion as a fact. You look for any excuse to pride up Indiana and Indianapolis, and everyone on here calls you out for it. Columbus grew faster, is smaller in area than Indianapolis, and is more dense. You always make excuses. You bash Illinois and California, and know next to nothing about them. You're a broken record. You even laugh at Chicago's murder rate. Grow up!


"Detroit may be sinking down the toilet", but its economy is a hell of a lot more powerful than anything in Indiana.
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Old 07-30-2012, 06:34 PM
 
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Ohio brings in the third highest amount of Michiganders outside of Texas and Florida, Columbus is a big draw, as is Cleveland and Cincinnati. Check out the Forbes map of where everyone is moving and see all the red lines leaving Michigan (one of only three states to actually decline in population) that are headed right for Franklin County.

Michigan's population has increased over the past 40 years. Right now, there is a shortage of experienced engineers there and they are being recruited from other states.
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Old 07-30-2012, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Little Italy, Cleveland
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Michigan's population has increased over the past 40 years. Right now, there is a shortage of experienced engineers there and they are being recruited from other states.
Not according to the last census it didn't. There are a shortage of workers in a lot of states, including engineers. Cleveland needs doctors, Pittsburgh needs tech guys. Detroit needs auto engineers around an industry that is prone to quick ups and downs.
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