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Haha, actually, to be honest, there's big debate over the boundaries of NJ and whether or not a central Jersey even exists. NJ's too small to be divided into 3 regions, IMO. Some people claim Union County is Central Jersey. Really? It's 20 miles from NYC and it's central? I would consider Middlesex and Mercer counties to be central, but also could southern. Some people just say anything north of the Driscoll Bridge on the parkway (in Middlesex county) is North Jersey, and anything south of it is South Jersey. It's hard to say to be completely honest. I'm not even trying to be difficult here.
And no, I really don't know much about NYS geography. All I need to know is that anything above the metro area is basically irrelevant to my life because it is not my area. And people from around here generally agree with that sentiment. We feel that anything above the metro area is a different world. And I've been there. It is a different world; beautiful, but very very different.
Its fine that you think "upstate" is a different world. But you cannot tell me that new haven has a nyc vibe, or hartford - because they do not. Again, just because wikipedia puts it in nyc metro does not mean its nyc, or "like" nyc. hell, where I grew up on long island feels more like maine than new york. The whole metro region idea is flawed to begin with.
You also cannot tell me there is any discernible difference between syracuse and trenton. I have lived in both and the two are almost identical.
To stick to the op - nyc/jersey is the correct answer. I would exclude conn from this poll as less than a quarter of the state can be associated with ny. central to eastern conn is definately more new england than nyc.
But still, as I said before, all of these areas are just different shades of the same color. I think everyone can agree on that.
I had someone on here tell me I wasn' t from Upstate. Hehe. Not where I live now, but I lived south of Albany for years and I wasn't considered an Upstater. Hysterical. And, I personally don't consider or think of Syracuse, Rochester and Buffalo as true blue Upstate, more Central and Western NY, which is a different vibe from what I say as Upstate--any cities, communities tracking north of downstate towards Albany. But, in those areas you can feel some of the NYC vibe and we had some city influence because people relocated to that area or spent time there. Here where I am is devoid of NYC influence. I mean nadda, nothing, couldn't tell if I was in NY state as I used to define it or Kansas or Iowa. Well, then the North Country has its' own vibe, too. This thread cracks me up.
Western NYers are pretty hellbent on not being included in the Upstate NY sub-region thing.
You wouldnt think Albany, Utica and Syracuse people would be debating with Rochester and Buffalo people at SUNY schools, but they do. Then you add NYC and LI into it.
Funny, I grew up in Rochester and nobody used the term Western NY when referring to where we were from. It was always Upstate. I don't know too many people in Roc that use that term at all. It's more of a Buffalo thing.
I had someone on here tell me I wasn' t from Upstate. Hehe. Not where I live now, but I lived south of Albany for years and I wasn't considered an Upstater. Hysterical. And, I personally don't consider or think of Syracuse, Rochester and Buffalo as true blue Upstate, more Central and Western NY, which is a different vibe from what I say as Upstate--any cities, communities tracking north of downstate towards Albany. But, in those areas you can feel some ofthe NYC vibe and we had lots of City because people relocated in that area or spent time there. Here where I am is devoid of NYC influence. I mean nadda, nothing, couldn't tell if I was in NY state as I used to define it or Kansas or Iowa. Well, then the North Country has its' own vibe, too. This thread cracks me up.
That you think albany and syracuse are different cracks me up.
That you think albany and syracuse are different cracks me up.
20 years ago Albany felt different from here. But, that was then, through my eyes then, so maybe there isn't much difference now. I felt it was more middle class, more energy (capitol), more activity, more of everything. Also, you have the years gone and deterioration, from my vantage point, in these upstate cities so that's another factor.
I spent a semester at SUNY Brockport outside Rochester. People from Buffalo and Rochester were adamant to other people from around the state that they are Western NY, not Upstate.
The OP needed to be more specific.
You are correct my friend I am from Buffalo, and we(along with Rochester) refer to our area as "Western". NOT upstate. It's not just us either, the press and media refer to us as WNY as well. Here is a perfect example.
PIKE, N.Y. — Authorities say they've charged five people in connection with the beating and robbing of migrant workers employed at dairy farms in a western New York county.
I had someone on here tell me I wasn' t from Upstate. Hehe. Not where I live now, but I lived south of Albany for years and I wasn't considered an Upstater. Hysterical. And, I personally don't consider or think of Syracuse, Rochester and Buffalo as true blue Upstate, more Central and Western NY, which is a different vibe from what I say as Upstate--any cities, communities tracking north of downstate towards Albany. But, in those areas you can feel some of the NYC vibe and we had some city influence because people relocated to that area or spent time there. Here where I am is devoid of NYC influence. I mean nadda, nothing, couldn't tell if I was in NY state as I used to define it or Kansas or Iowa. Well, then the North Country has its' own vibe, too. This thread cracks me up.
Nope, someone said that there are people that don't consider the Hudson Valley to be Upstate NY. Big difference.
Also, for the last time, Upstate NY has subregions. Central NY is in Upstate NY. All Upstate NY means is the part of the state north of the NYC metro area, by and large. That still leaves a good chunk of the state in terms of land. Hence, the subregions. It isn't that hard to understand. Yikes!
Nope, someone said that there are people that don't consider the Hudson Valley to be Upstate NY. Big difference.
Also, for the last time, Upstate NY has subregions. Central NY is in Upstate NY. All Upstate NY means is the part of the state north of the NYC metro area, by and large. That still leaves a good chunk of the state in terms of land. Hence, the subregions. It isn't that hard to understand. Yikes!
You don't even think the Hudson Valley is upstate and you're giving geography lessons. You posted someone else's opinion that you disagree with? Why would anyone do that? That's beyond comprehension.
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Also, for the last time, Upstate NY has subregions. Central NY is in Upstate NY. All Upstate NY means is the part of the state north of the NYC metro area, by and large. That still leaves a good chunk of the state in terms of land. Hence, the subregions. It isn't that hard to understand. Yikes!
exactly - not sure why this is so complicated for some......... and every subregion refers to themselves by that subregion .... nothing really unique there either
i guess that means they aren't upstate NY either......................
dopey and really not worth going any further with
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