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View Poll Results: New York City is more associated with:
New Jersey & Connecticut 98 93.33%
Upstate New York 7 6.67%
Voters: 105. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-13-2012, 11:52 PM
 
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The 6th boro to me was always Yonkers.

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This is really a difference in what is Upstate and what isnt. Upstate is anything north of the Bronx. Thats how I see it.

The OP's question specifically refers to NYC. The city. Not metro.
I know it refers to NYC. And I still think that North/Northeastern Jersey is more similar. Honestly, I don't think CT really is all that similar and only a small portion of the state associates with NYC compared to half of NJ. Like I said in another post on this thread, Jersey City and Hoboken are so connected the Manhattan. And Middlesex county is to Staten Island. And Union County is to Brooklyn because so many people that live here are originally from Brooklyn or own businesses/work in Brooklyn. I just don't think it's the same type of similarity anywhere else. I mean, Northern New Jersey is right across the river. How much more influence and association can you have?

New York State is so big. There are many big cities upstate and west and NJ doesn't have that. Yeah, we have Newark and Camden, but NYC (or Philly for Camden) overshadows those cities, always have and always will. NJ doesn't have its own major city, really. New York for the north and Philly for the extreme south are our cities. I mean, the Jets and Giants both play here. As do the New York Red Bulls soccer team. NY state has many cities that are considered to be major. Someone in Buffalo or Syracuse wouldn't call NYC "the city" unless they were originally from the area.
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Old 08-13-2012, 11:54 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY $$$
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Hahahahahahaha. A radio station isnt the reason why....
um no it isn't but poughpeeksie is part of metro. look it up.
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Old 08-13-2012, 11:55 PM
 
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The 6th boro to me was always Yonkers.

Borough (New York City) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is really a difference in what is Upstate and what isnt. Upstate is anything north of the Bronx. Thats how I see it.

The OP's question specifically refers to NYC. The city. Not metro. So I see North Jersey and parts of CT lumped with Westchester and Rockland as the immediate areas in question.




Now, if we are talking metro NY...

If Westchester doesnt count, why does CT?
Westchester DOES count. At least I think it does. Again, I don't consider Westchester to be upstate. It's so far south. And CT really shouldn't count. There's only, what, 3 counties in CT that's part of the metro area? That people actually commute from daily? NJ has like 8 counties that people commute to work in the city from daily. NYC's right across the river. NJ co-owns (if you will) the Statue of Liberty and Ellis Island. We own (again, 'own' for lack of better term. Control?) half the Hudson River and the New York Bay. We associate so much with NYC and vice versa.
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Old 08-13-2012, 11:58 PM
 
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I know it refers to NYC. And I still think that North/Northeastern Jersey is more similar. Honestly, I don't think CT really is all that similar and only a small portion of the state associates with NYC compared to half of NJ. Like I said in another post on this thread, Jersey City and Hoboken are so connected the Manhattan. And Middlesex county is to Staten Island. And Union County is to Brooklyn because so many people that live here are originally from Brooklyn or own businesses/work in Brooklyn. I just don't think it's the same type of similarity anywhere else. I mean, Northern New Jersey is right across the river. How much more influence and association can you have?

New York State is so big. There are many big cities upstate and west and NJ doesn't have that. Yeah, we have Newark and Camden, but NYC (or Philly for Camden) overshadows those cities, always have and always will. NJ doesn't have its own major city, really. New York for the north and Philly for the extreme south are our cities. I mean, the Jets and Giants both play here. As do the New York Red Bulls soccer team. NY state has many cities that are considered to be major. Someone in Buffalo or Syracuse wouldn't call NYC "the city" unless they were originally from the area.
Culturally speaking, North Jersey, southern Upstate NY counties, and CT are all the same.

How could immediate areas of NJ and CT be more NYC than Upstate counties NYC is actually connected to?

CT is more associated with NYC than Westchester? Theyre basically the same plot of land with an imaginary boundary.

and Westchester is considered Upstate by many. Which is why im debating the definition of Upstate here.
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Old 08-13-2012, 11:59 PM
 
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i thought west coast people argued that new jersey was an "entire" state away...

good to see people got a clue
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Old 08-13-2012, 11:59 PM
 
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um no it isn't but poughpeeksie is part of metro. look it up.

Its part of the CSA technically, which is a different designated region.
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Old 08-14-2012, 12:01 AM
 
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Its part of the CSA technically, which is a different designated region.
could care less but its still something something to nyc.

now is buffalo a csa or msa?
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Old 08-14-2012, 12:02 AM
 
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It makes no sense here to not count Westchester, Rockland, etc. but count CT and NJ.


Theyre all part of the immediate region, and as such, thats the assocation that should be debated.

The OP specifically says NYC, and the correct answer is all 3 areas.


There are Upstate counties part of the NY metro, which is my sticking point here.
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Old 08-14-2012, 12:03 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia,New Jersey, NYC!
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Culturally speaking, North Jersey, southern Upstate NY counties, and CT are all the same.

How could immediate areas of NJ and CT be more NYC than Upstate counties NYC is actually connected to?

CT is more associated with NYC than Westchester? Westchester is considered Upstate by many.

CT hates NJ, NJ hates LI, LI thinks they're the center of the universe

Westchester thinks they're Manhattan


life is hierarchy event if its not true
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Old 08-14-2012, 12:05 AM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY $$$
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It makes no sense here to not count Westchester, Rockland, etc. but count CT and NJ.


Theyre all part of the immediate region, and as such, thats the assocation that should be debated.

The OP specifically says NYC, and the correct answer is all 3 areas.
westchester, rockland, do not count. maybe the op forgot to label that.

But us new yorkers dont refer to westchester county as upstate.

as a matter of fact i have speaking difficulties when i say westchester and upstate in the same sentence.

Its in our genes.
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