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Old 08-03-2012, 02:57 PM
 
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I would expect all 4 to continue to grow at a decent clip (Miami may not get MSA credit for all the expansion though)

Seems like all 4 will become somewhat mega as population centers. In the traditional city sense maybe Miami or none, not totally sure.

From a census perspective Houston probably can achieve the highest. Under the current set of criteria DFW could one day fracture into a CSA as opposed to a large MSA. Also Houston to me seems the most likely to have a longer sustained economic growth with the port etc.

Not sure any of these MSAs at 10 million truly would put them at the stature of a present day Chciago let alone LA or even NYC honestly.

On DC - I think the next five years could see a slowing of growth but do agree from the city sense is probably already a more prominent city and likely to continue to be a higher stature even if with a smaller population (plus the best infrastructure for city compression synergy)

I honestly am not sure that any will grow much past 10 million easily as at some point their infrastructure may not support it and continued expansion eventually leads to diminishing attractiveness.
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Old 08-03-2012, 07:52 PM
 
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I'm not thinking of world class city. I'm thinking of agglomerations which none of the sunbelt cities would fall under because they're not that densely populated. I used the demand to live closely together for amenities as an example since people choose to live away from the city and only move to the area because for jobs. Paris for example is 40sq miles and has a density of over 54,000(that's just an average based on land area and population. Houston by contrast is 627 sq miles with a density of 3000. Most European and Asian cities are like this with very little sprawl on the outskirts. That's why I don't use the standard definition. It's too loose for the typical American city which happen to be like that. It includes everyone in the metro region even if they're living an hour or two hours away from the actual city.
Don't know what you are talking about but its not mega cities. Mega cities are cities with 10M + populations, don't know why you are going into Paris and other cities. Paris is a City you use to compare Global cities to, because of its density and amenities, that is not what a mega city is though.
A Mega City is a City with 10M+ people

You know with 5M + 5M people

10M people. Thats 10,000,000 people

How many times do I need to repeat it?

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megacity [ˈmɛgəˌsɪtɪ]
n pl -cities
a city with over 10 million inhabitants
megacity - definition of megacity by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

See what it say: It says a Mega city is one with 10M or more people.

That is Ten Million.
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Megacity: Megacities Definition

I don't give a fart that you think it must look like Paris. No where looks like Paris.
One more time if you have not grasped what a Mega city is: It is a city with ten million or more people.
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Old 08-03-2012, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis (St. Louis Park)
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"Megacity"? If I HAD to pick one it'd be Houston, not just because of the population threshold but also because it's so internationally reknown (on a more diverse level than Miami, IMO). But to be honest, I don't see ANY of those 4 being true Megacities. Perhaps if they grow organically and sustainably, with population driven by jobs/GDP and people driven by family/friends instead of weather/lifestyle.....THEN I could see it.
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Old 08-03-2012, 08:45 PM
 
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"Megacity"? If I HAD to pick one it'd be Houston, not just because of the population threshold but also because it's so internationally reknown (on a more diverse level than Miami, IMO). But to be honest, I don't see ANY of those 4 being true Megacities. Perhaps if they grow organically and sustainably, with population driven by jobs/GDP and people driven by family/friends instead of weather/lifestyle.....THEN I could see it.
I think all four are driven by jobs/ GDP.
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Old 08-03-2012, 08:48 PM
 
Location: Denver
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"Megacity"? If I HAD to pick one it'd be Houston, not just because of the population threshold but also because it's so internationally reknown (on a more diverse level than Miami, IMO). But to be honest, I don't see ANY of those 4 being true Megacities. Perhaps if they grow organically and sustainably, with population driven by jobs/GDP and people driven by family/friends instead of weather/lifestyle.....THEN I could see it.
That's what happening with Houston, Dallas, and Atlanta.
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Old 08-03-2012, 10:08 PM
 
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That's what happening with Houston, Dallas, and Atlanta.
What does life look like through rose-colored glasses? Of course it's (also) based on weather/lifestyle!

It's NOT just jobs, otherwise Willston, ND would be #1, closely followed by Omaha, NE for a major city. Don't be fooled, people think Texas has great weather (still) too. Yet I don't expect ANY of them to be megacities.....it's an opinion, don't get so defensive!


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Old 08-03-2012, 10:13 PM
 
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What does life look like through rose-colored glasses? Of course it's (also) based on weather/lifestyle!

It's NOT just jobs, otherwise Willston, ND would be #1, closely followed by Omaha, NE for a major city. Don't be fooled, people think Texas has great weather (still) too. Yet I don't expect ANY of them to be megacities.....it's an opinion, don't get so defensive!


"Prove me wrong children....prove me wrong!" - Principal Skinner (Simpsons)
What are you saying?
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Old 08-03-2012, 10:27 PM
 
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NYC, LA, Chicago. Our three largest areas. Grew in different times and eras. They have 1 thing in common that helped them boom passed their competition.

Location and logistics. Dallas and Houston will reach the next level by their logistics as the biggest factor. Atlanta is beginning to max out, Beijing or Shanghai will surpass it as the worlds busiest airport by the end of this year or at the worst next year. With no plans for any airport expansions or a second airport or getting more freight miles, Dallas is poised to challenge it. Dallas and Houston with Florida and California are the best located areas for future trade with the rising prominence of BRIC and CIVAT
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Old 08-03-2012, 10:30 PM
 
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NYC, LA, Chicago. Our three largest areas. Grew in different times and eras. They have 1 thing in common that helped them boom passed their competition.

Location and logistics. Dallas and Houston will reach the next level by their logistics alone. Atlanta is beginning to max out, Beijing or Shanghai will surpass it as the worlds busiest airport by the end of this year or at the worst next year. With no plans for any airport expansions or a second airport or getting more freight miles, Dallas is poised to challenge it.
Dallas location isn't ideal though in terms of longevity. It'll become stagnant like Chicago. It's even worse because Chicago at least sits along Lake Michigan. All Dallas has is its good looks and a big ditch.
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Old 08-03-2012, 11:31 PM
 
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The DC-Baltimore CSA continues to get closer and closer to the 9 million mark. The amount of growth in that area since the early 90's has been remarkable, especially since it was already highly-populated to begin with (DC-Baltimore had over 5 million residents by the 1980's).

Houston will benefit from the canal expansion, but increased automation means that fewer workers are needed than before to manage each ingoing or outbound ton of cargo. If you want to see the future, look over to South Korea, one of the largest shipping economies in the world. Automation and robotics are changing the entire system. It won't be that long until cargo itself can be shuffled around on automated, self-directed transport vehicles with no on-site human controller.

I would note, though, that Atlanta is the only city on the list that basically everyone would agree is part of "the south." Dallas and Houston are Texan first and foremost, and many southerners are reluctant to claim DC as one of their own. Miami, of course, is off in its own world.
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