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Old 10-16-2012, 09:41 PM
 
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I am not sure that he meant that Raleigh would pass Atlanta (which I agree it won't). I think he was referring to growth rates. It's easy to imagine Raleigh's growth rates being faster than Atlanta's in years to come. Raleigh's municipal growth rates and absolute growth numbers are already higher than Atlanta proper but Raleigh's total metro isn't even a comparable monster and probably never will be.
I think Charlotte and Raleigh growth rates will be higher than Atlanta. But as far as numerical growth and metro growth you're right. Also, Charlotte's unemployment is going down, thank God. Also, Charlotte is more than Bank of America. Some of us locals kind of don't care about BoA. They've lost touch with us.
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Old 10-16-2012, 09:57 PM
 
Location: North Texas
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Seeing Dallas on the list makes it all the more likely that I'll leave Dallas, this city is crowded enough as it is.
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Old 10-16-2012, 10:05 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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The birth rate in this country, partly due to the lingering recession, as fallen to its lowest level ever. Combine that with an aging population, where oh where are these projections coming from?

Yes, a natural catastrophe, somewhere in this country, could send a number of people streaming elsewhere, perhaps it's based on that?
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Old 10-17-2012, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis (St. Louis Park)
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Seeing Dallas on the list makes it all the more likely that I'll leave Dallas, this city is crowded enough as it is.
These rates can't continue without MAJOR change......you can't add that many people to a city without prices increasing, taxes increasing, traffic increasing, etc. Demand WILL slow down (or those things WILL rise)!
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Old 10-17-2012, 11:07 AM
 
Location: North Texas
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These rates can't continue without MAJOR change......you can't add that many people to a city without prices increasing, taxes increasing, traffic increasing, etc. Demand WILL slow down (or those things WILL rise)!
It's getting more and more expensive in Dallas for sure, but what will happen is the metroplex (Dallas-Fort Worth and their associated suburbs) will continue to sprawl lazily northward...it wouldn't surprise me to someday see parts of Oklahoma in the greater DFW area. There are already some suburbs of Dallas that are closer to the OK state line than to downtown Dallas.
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Old 10-17-2012, 11:14 AM
 
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I am not sure that he meant that Raleigh would pass Atlanta (which I agree it won't). I think he was referring to growth rates. It's easy to imagine Raleigh's growth rates being faster than Atlanta's in years to come. Raleigh's municipal growth rates and absolute growth numbers are already higher than Atlanta proper but Raleigh's total metro isn't even a comparable monster and probably never will be.
Growth rates I could see, but that's not too hard to do when you're a smaller metro. Like you said, Raleigh's metro growth rate is already higher than Atlanta's. However, raw numbers are a different thing altogether. Atlanta added over a million people in the last decade, while Raleigh added under 350K. Who knows what might happen in a couple of decades though.
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Old 10-17-2012, 12:12 PM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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Growth rates I could see, but that's not too hard to do when you're a smaller metro. Like you said, Raleigh's metro growth rate is already higher than Atlanta's. However, raw numbers are a different thing altogether. Atlanta added over a million people in the last decade, while Raleigh added under 350K. Who knows what might happen in a couple of decades though.
There is really never an apples to apples comparison between any two cities or metros. Footprints of cities and metros are different sizes. Growth happens by annexation and through development of existing boundaries. Metros are redefined over time. Some metros will grow outward while others will be split into pieces. Some Metros are a part of a CSA while others are not.

Raleigh and the Triangle is an interesting animal. I remember the day not so long ago when the entire Triangle hit a million in population. I think that was sometime in the 90s. Then, in 2003, the Triangle was split in two. Now the Raleigh/Cary side of the metro is nearing 1.2 million itself while the "CSA" is about 1.8 million. Who's to say that the Triangle will remain as two units when MSA/CSA alignment happens again? Who knows? Who knows how many more counties are added to either the MSA/CSA of Atlanta, Charlotte or the Triangle? There are so many dynamics at play that it's hard to pin it down statistically and compare in a way that is meaningful. For example. Charlotte's MSA added more residents between the last Census and 2011 estimates than the Raleigh/Cary MSA. However, the Raleigh/Durham/Cary CSA added more residents than the Charlotte CSA during the same time period. Both growth rates of Charlotte or Raleigh metros were faster than Atlanta's but Atlanta's absolute growth numbers are higher than either Charlotte or Raleigh.

While these three aforementioned metros are often talked about as fast growers of metros above 1 million in the Southeast, the surprise to many may be Miami. As just a 3 county MSA (no CSA exists), Miami-Ft Lauderdale/Pompano Beach MSA even added more people than Atlanta's CSA between the Census and 2011.
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Old 10-19-2012, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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I noticed that nobody commented on the #1 city Austin. Is it because everyone is pretty much in agreement that Austin will outperform all other regions, hence the need to not discuss it?
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Old 10-19-2012, 05:25 PM
 
Location: NYC/D.C.
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I noticed that nobody commented on the #1 city Austin. Is it because everyone is pretty much in agreement that Austin will outperform all other regions, hence the need to not discuss it?
LOL. Maybe so.
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Old 10-19-2012, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis (St. Louis Park)
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I noticed that nobody commented on the #1 city Austin. Is it because everyone is pretty much in agreement that Austin will outperform all other regions, hence the need to not discuss it?
Cool!
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