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Old 09-21-2012, 07:09 PM
 
Location: Greater Boston
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Another one I thought of -- in case it hasn't been mentioned before -- is Missouri and Kansas. I believe they have animosities that date back to the days of the War Between the States. There were so-called "Border Wars" fought between the Missourians and Kansans. (Missouri had strong Southern sympathies and Kansas was firmly pro-Union).

I have never really spent much time in Missouri, but my ex-wife was from Kansas, and I used to visit up there quite a bit. It was never really overt, but when things like this would come up, I always detected, among natives, a certain disdain for Missouri.

I would be interested in your take on this one, StLouisian...
well for the most part they don't really have much in common, other than the fact that missouri's largest city is on the border with Kansas and is also named after Kansas
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Old 09-21-2012, 07:23 PM
 
Location: West Tennessee
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Another one I thought of -- in case it hasn't been mentioned before -- is Missouri and Kansas. I believe they have animosities that date back to the days of the War Between the States. There were so-called "Border Wars" fought between the Missourians and Kansans. (Missouri had strong Southern sympathies and Kansas was firmly pro-Union).

I have never really spent much time in Missouri, but my ex-wife was from Kansas, and I used to visit up there quite a bit. It was never really overt, but when things like this would come up, I always detected, among natives, a certain disdain for Missouri.

I would be interested in your take on this one, StLouisian...
I'm from Southeast Missouri. I can say from experience that not too many people born and raised here think about Kansas at all, unless they are Mizzou fans and we are playing them. It is over 6 hours away after all. It is a shorter drive to Jackson, Mississippi than the closest point in Kansas

However, I would think that the two have some decently strong ties because of the KC Metro area. The only two bordering states that I feel that Missouri isn't connected to hardly at all are Tennessee and Nebraska. (And maybe Oklahoma, not sure about this one.). Even Caruthersville doesn't seem very tied to Tennessee and it is basically right across the river with a bridge connection. With that being said, you could drop Caruthersville in eastern Arkansas or western Mississippi and it would feel right at home.
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Old 09-21-2012, 07:27 PM
 
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I'm from Southeast Missouri. I can say from experience that not too many people born and raised here think about Kansas at all, unless they are Mizzou fans and we are playing them. It is over 6 hours away after all. It is a shorter drive to Jackson, Mississippi than the closest point in Kansas

However, I would think that the two have some decently strong ties because of the KC Metro area. The only two bordering states that I feel that Missouri isn't connected to hardly at all are Tennessee and Nebraska. (And maybe Oklahoma, not sure about this one.)
Actually alot of communities in southwest Missouri are more connected to OK. than they are to the rest of the state. this is because of the fact that the nearest real city is Tulsa OK.
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Old 09-21-2012, 07:29 PM
 
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Actually alot of communities in southwest Missouri are more connected to OK. than they are to the rest of the state. this is because of the fact that the nearest real city is Tulsa OK.
I could see that. That's why I said I wasn't sure.
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Old 09-21-2012, 07:40 PM
 
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Does Missouri have strong ties to Illinois because of St. Louis or am I misinformed?
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Old 09-21-2012, 08:48 PM
 
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Does Missouri have strong ties to Illinois because of St. Louis or am I misinformed?
Yeah it has pretty strong ties to Illinois. There is more to it than St. Louis though. The Illinois side of the river near where I am from (Cape Girardeau area) has ties to far southern Illinois primarily because the Illinois side is in pretty bad shape economically, so most people travel to Missouri to buy groceries, gas, etc...
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Old 09-21-2012, 09:17 PM
 
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well for the most part they don't really have much in common, other than the fact that missouri's largest city is on the border with Kansas and is also named after Kansas
*chucking in amusement* Something I thought of -- when you mentioned that -- is that it seems as if some Kansans kinda claim it as their own...even though, as you allude to, the bulk of Kansas City is on the Missouri side! They call the main part "Kansas City, MOE". LOL

But actually -- and this would sometime get me into trouble (or at least a friendly debate) in Kansas was their referring to the "Arkansas River" as the "Ar-KANSAS" river. I found this one out early on. First trip me and my ex took up there to visit her family, I saw a sign and mentioned in passing to her, something along the lines of "I didn't know the "Ar-kin-saw" River ran thru here. She replied "Just to let you know, people up here say it different and are adament about it."

Well, fine...but I wasn't going to go THAT far to be accomodating! A little tact if the issue came up? Sure. But not in the least repudiating my native Texas/Southern pronunciations!

BTW -- don't get me wrong. I have nothing against the state of Kansas at all. Matter of fact, I always enjoyed my time up there and met nothing but hospitable and good down-home Midwestern people during the stays.
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Old 09-21-2012, 09:37 PM
 
Location: Jefferson City 4 days a week, St. Louis 3 days a week
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I'm from Southeast Missouri. I can say from experience that not too many people born and raised here think about Kansas at all, unless they are Mizzou fans and we are playing them. It is over 6 hours away after all. It is a shorter drive to Jackson, Mississippi than the closest point in Kansas

However, I would think that the two have some decently strong ties because of the KC Metro area. The only two bordering states that I feel that Missouri isn't connected to hardly at all are Tennessee and Nebraska. (And maybe Oklahoma, not sure about this one.). Even Caruthersville doesn't seem very tied to Tennessee and it is basically right across the river with a bridge connection. With that being said, you could drop Caruthersville in eastern Arkansas or western Mississippi and it would feel right at home.
I would say that Northwest Missouri, west central Missouri, and Eastern Nebraska have a lot in common. Kansas City and Omaha in particular are very alike. As far as Missouri and Kansas go, the only differences between them now are largely historic. The "border war" sentiment is essentially what I would call a "joking rivalry"...it's not even close to being the kind of difference that existed prior to the Civil War. However, SEMO I agree has very little in common with Kansas. Both are more alike today than different. Western Missouri is very connected to Kansas.
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Old 09-21-2012, 09:39 PM
 
Location: Jefferson City 4 days a week, St. Louis 3 days a week
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well for the most part they don't really have much in common, other than the fact that missouri's largest city is on the border with Kansas and is also named after Kansas
I'd have to disagree. Both have similar culture and similar linguistic patterns.
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Old 09-21-2012, 09:40 PM
 
Location: Jefferson City 4 days a week, St. Louis 3 days a week
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Yeah it has pretty strong ties to Illinois. There is more to it than St. Louis though. The Illinois side of the river near where I am from (Cape Girardeau area) has ties to far southern Illinois primarily because the Illinois side is in pretty bad shape economically, so most people travel to Missouri to buy groceries, gas, etc...
Yeah. Also, Hannibal, Missouri is heavily tied to Quincy, Illinois.
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