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Old 09-09-2012, 11:41 PM
 
Location: Shaw.
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Originally Posted by Tezcatlipoca View Post
Secession was never formally voted upon in MD.

The first MD secession convention decided that secession was unconstitutional, but that the north was to blame for forcing the south to secede. It decreed that MD would secede only if Virginia seceded first.

After Virginia seceded, Maryland was already occupied by Union troops and another convention was called. The bill for secession got stuck in indecision and put off till later.

Before it could be formally voted upon on this later date, the pro-secession convention members and those with family in the CSA were arrested and the vote never happened.
It seems they voted 53-13 against secession (even if it was to say it was unconstitutional) and planned to vote again on the issue in six months.

At the time, most Marylanders thought a strong majority wanted to break away, but I've heard actual troop numbers favored the North by a 2-1 margin. Perhaps that majority was actually a loud minority.

 
Old 09-10-2012, 06:14 AM
 
Location: PG County, MD
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At the time, most Marylanders thought a strong majority wanted to break away, but I've heard actual troop numbers favored the North by a 2-1 margin.
I would think that most Marylanders would feel loyalty to their state no matter what side it was on. Sort of like Robert E Lee, who sided with the confederacy due to a loyalty to Virginia more than any other reason. Sadly, it's hard to read the minds of those in 1861 and figure out their motivations.
 
Old 09-10-2012, 06:20 AM
 
Location: PG County, MD
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What part of MD are you from?
Calvert County
 
Old 09-11-2012, 09:04 PM
 
Location: 602/520
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This thread is unbelievable. Maryland, DC, and Virginia are southern states. One of the primary roadways of Northern Virginia (literally just on the other side of the Potomac from DC) is Lee Highway. Lee, being Confederate General Robert E. Lee. Let's not forget roads like Rebel Run or Stonewall Jackson High School. How about Dixie Liquor in DC? One of the longest running debutante balls (Southern) takes place annually in DC. These are just a FEW nuances that make this area undeniably Southern.

DC is the capital of the country. Of course it's going to be fast paced with a bunch of self-important people. However, there is a very Southern feel to DC. Walk around the mall in DC on a hazy, humid summer afternoon and tell me that it does not feel Southern.
 
Old 09-11-2012, 10:03 PM
 
Location: BMORE!
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This thread is unbelievable. Maryland, DC, and Virginia are southern states. One of the primary roadways of Northern Virginia (literally just on the other side of the Potomac from DC) is Lee Highway. Lee, being Confederate General Robert E. Lee. Let's not forget roads like Rebel Run or Stonewall Jackson High School. How about Dixie Liquor in DC? One of the longest running debutante balls (Southern) takes place annually in DC. These are just a FEW nuances that make this area undeniably Southern.

DC is the capital of the country. Of course it's going to be fast paced with a bunch of self-important people. However, there is a very Southern feel to DC. Walk around the mall in DC on a hazy, humid summer afternoon and tell me that it does not feel Southern.
They take place at the Waldorf Astoria in NYC as well. Also, hot & hazy doesn't stop at the Mason- Dixon line. NYC and Philly both get ridiculously humid.
 
Old 09-11-2012, 11:33 PM
 
Location: The Magnolia City
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This thread is unbelievable. Maryland, DC, and Virginia are southern states. One of the primary roadways of Northern Virginia (literally just on the other side of the Potomac from DC) is Lee Highway. Lee, being Confederate General Robert E. Lee. Let's not forget roads like Rebel Run or Stonewall Jackson High School. How about Dixie Liquor in DC? One of the longest running debutante balls (Southern) takes place annually in DC. These are just a FEW nuances that make this area undeniably Southern.

DC is the capital of the country. Of course it's going to be fast paced with a bunch of self-important people. However, there is a very Southern feel to DC. Walk around the mall in DC on a hazy, humid summer afternoon and tell me that it does not feel Southern.
I've done that, and I can definitely tell you it didn't feel southern, to me.

I think it's important to understand the difference between the Old South and the Current South. Virginia and other parts of the southern Mid-Atlantic used to be the focus of all things southern. Nowadays, the focal point is often considered to be around Mississippi, which I feel is culturally a different world than any place in the DMV.
 
Old 09-12-2012, 12:58 PM
 
Location: DC/Brooklyn, NY/Miami, FL
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They take place at the Waldorf Astoria in NYC as well. Also, hot & hazy doesn't stop at the Mason- Dixon line. NYC and Philly both get ridiculously humid.
Right!

And isnt the Hells Angels headquarters in NYC? Racist biker gangs are so southern...
 
Old 09-12-2012, 01:02 PM
 
Location: DC/Brooklyn, NY/Miami, FL
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Of course VA is southern, its historically the most southern state in history. Even in NoVa you got all these roads, buildings, and parks named after Lee and Jackson..

However this doesnt exist in MD and DC.
 
Old 09-12-2012, 01:45 PM
 
Location: Lincoln, NE (via SW Virginia)
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Of course VA is southern, its historically the most southern state in history. Even in NoVa you got all these roads, buildings, and parks named after Lee and Jackson..

However this doesnt exist in MD and DC.

Agreed 100%

Culturally DC and MD just aren't southern these days. Anyone that sets foot in Baltimore and/or DC and claims to feel Dixie is either dilusional or in dire need of an explanation as to what Dixie is.
 
Old 09-12-2012, 03:20 PM
 
Location: PG County, MD
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Originally Posted by Nairobi View Post
Virginia and other parts of the southern Mid-Atlantic used to be the focus of all things southern. Nowadays, the focal point is often considered to be around Mississippi, which I feel is culturally a different world than any place in the DMV.
Agreed.
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