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Old 10-23-2017, 02:35 PM
 
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You are saying this in response to a 5 year old post. The economy IS much better than it was when this thread was made. Especially in regard to Detroit if that's the city you are referring to.
No, no the economy is at its worst these days. The decline of the Rust Belt is one of the many reasons. Not only that it is harder to find a job then it ever was before. Check out the unemployment rate in the U.S. It is higher than ever.
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Old 10-23-2017, 03:06 PM
 
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No, no the economy is at its worst these days. The decline of the Rust Belt is one of the many reasons. Not only that it is harder to find a job then it ever was before. Check out the unemployment rate in the U.S. It is higher than ever.
I'm going to suggest you start posting actual data before making statements like these. The data does not support your statements.

The Detroit area's unemployment rate was 5.5% in August about 1/3rd of what it's worst was in 2009.
https://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.mi_detroit_md.htm

The National unemployment rate was 4.2% in September, again nowhere near it's worst.
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

Also there is economic growth at or above 2%, again nowhere near it's worst.

Based on your statements you seem to be functioning on a caricatured opinion, while not actually having validated any of your impressions by research. I'm going to request that you don't continue to do so as it's currently bordering on a TOS violation.
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Old 10-25-2017, 08:27 AM
 
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What areas are we talking about though that have actually SHRANK. No states within the great lakes have really shrunk, Michigan is right at its peak population it had reached in 2000. Illinois has shrunk the past three years for very specific reasons, but otherwise has always grown. Ohio, Pennsylvania - they're both at peak population.

I can think of 5 decent sized cities that are rust belt and have shrunk, it's not really a "region" as there are perfectly healthy and growing cities and smaller towns all around the great lakes. Rust Belt is more a specific list of metro areas and smaller industrial cities.

Youngstown: -17% from peak
Pittsburgh: -15% from peak
Cleveland: -11% from peak
Flint: -9% from peak
Detroit: -4% from peak

For all the attention Detroit gets, it's metro area has only drifted down by 4% from it's 1970 peak and its currently growing.

Youngstown is probably the metro that's seen the biggest upheaval and declines.
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Old 10-25-2017, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis (St. Louis Park)
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Yeah, visiting Youngstown to me was like going back in a time capsule. It looks like it's stuck in 1980. It clearly has issues with progress, but I'm rooting for it!
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Old 10-25-2017, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Youngstown, Oh.
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Yeah, visiting Youngstown to me was like going back in a time capsule. It looks like it's stuck in 1980. It clearly has issues with progress, but I'm rooting for it!
We don't need a lot of new stuff. We're just trying to save the great old stuff we've already got.


If the Youngstown metro would embrace its core cities, instead of running (sprawling) away from them, that would be a good first step to moving forward, and joining the 21st century.
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Old 10-25-2017, 02:14 PM
 
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Yeah, visiting Youngstown to me was like going back in a time capsule. It looks like it's stuck in 1980. It clearly has issues with progress, but I'm rooting for it!
Youngstown’s better days are surely behind us. Ya know if it didn’t deindustrialize in the first place it would be doing a whole lot better than it’s doing now. Forget the progress. Youngstown once had real progress and that was back when it all the factories up and running.
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Old 10-26-2017, 09:58 AM
 
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We don't need a lot of new stuff. We're just trying to save the great old stuff we've already got.


If the Youngstown metro would embrace its core cities, instead of running (sprawling) away from them, that would be a good first step to moving forward, and joining the 21st century.
And you have a point. We can fix Youngstown by fixing up what we have left instead of building something new. We don’t need gentrification.
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