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View Poll Results: What is the westernmost city in the Southeastern United States?
Little Rock, Arkansas 15 15.15%
Tulsa, Oklahoma 7 7.07%
Dallas, Texas 24 24.24%
Houston, Texas 17 17.17%
San Antonio, Texas 15 15.15%
El Paso, Texas 12 12.12%
Other (Explain!) 9 9.09%
Voters: 99. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-01-2013, 04:12 PM
 
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Exactly. We have humongous live oaks here in Southeast Texas, and I've seen them from here to South Carolina.

Magnolias and bayous are two other popular traits of the Deep South landscape, and they're not only hallmarks of Houston, but they're part of this city's oldest and most popular nicknames.
Good point!

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Old 01-01-2013, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC (in my mind)
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I consider the physical Southeast to be the south that is east of the Mississippi River. That's what I've always understood it to mean. Being the largest city to straddle the river, New Orleans seems to act as the gateway between both regions, especially since it has as much in common with areas west as it does with places just east of it.

I was thinking that the OP was essentially asking which is the westernmost city that is Southeastern "in spirit". My answer is Houston. Of course, the westernmost city actually in the SE is New Orleans.

For those of you that include Arkansas and Louisiana in the Southeast, there's no logical explanation you can give me that would explain how East Texas (including Houston) doesn't belong.
How the Southeast is defined largely depends on the map you look at.

I have no problem including Houston as part of the Southeast and in fact probably would. You cannot exclude the Mississippi Delta states of Arkansas and Louisiana however. They are very similar culturally and geographically to West Tennessee and Mississippi.
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Old 01-01-2013, 05:36 PM
 
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How the Southeast is defined largely depends on the map you look at.

I have no problem including Houston as part of the Southeast and in fact probably would. You cannot exclude the Mississippi Delta states of Arkansas and Louisiana however. They are very similar culturally and geographically to West Tennessee and Mississippi.
I never said there's one universal definition of the Southeast, but designating that classification for states east of the Mississippi makes perfect sense to me, if we're talking solely about geography and history.
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Old 01-01-2013, 06:27 PM
 
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How the Southeast is defined largely depends on the map you look at.

I have no problem including Houston as part of the Southeast and in fact probably would. You cannot exclude the Mississippi Delta states of Arkansas and Louisiana however. They are very similar culturally and geographically to West Tennessee and Mississippi.
I exclude La and Ark from the southeast always. What is west of the Miss. River is not eastern. Simply the word describing the region should be "south" and not anything else.
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Old 01-01-2013, 06:54 PM
 
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I think furthering the discussion to what's "eastern" makes things exceptionally more complicated.

I pretty much see the Eastern US as a sum two large parts: everything east of the Mississippi and points west of the river that are still in the physical eastern half of the mainland. The latter applies to Arkansas, Louisiana, East Texas, and East Oklahoma, but I still don't include them in the more exclusive Southeast; a region with a solid and historically relevant western boundary.
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Old 01-01-2013, 08:42 PM
 
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On second thought, I think we've forgotten that Baton Rouge is west of New Orleans, so, technically, I guess it would be the westernmost major city in the SE.
Agreed. I change my vote to Baton Rouge. Nowhere west of BR should be considered the Southeast.
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Old 01-01-2013, 08:47 PM
 
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Houston just isn't part of the Southeast to me. Yeah, cutlurally it has a similar gulf culture to NO. But it's well West of of NO. It's close enough to be culturally linked and close enough for a quick weekend trip, but Houston's only 2hr30mins from Austin and SA, two very culturally Western South cities. West Houston metro even takes after the region it abuts in terms of geography. The Southern pines get thiner and eventually dissappear the further West you drive in Houston.
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Old 01-01-2013, 08:59 PM
 
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Houston just isn't part of the Southeast to me. Yeah, cutlurally it has a similar gulf culture to NO. But it's well West of of NO. It's close enough to be culturally linked and close enough for a quick weekend trip, but Houston's only 2hr30mins from Austin and SA, two very culturally Western South cities. West Houston metro even takes after the region it abuts in terms of geography. The Southern pines get thiner and eventually dissappear the further West you drive in Houston.
I used to live in Atlanta, and I felt more at home there than I ever have in Austin or San Antonio, and that's the honest-to-God truth. Physical distance doesn't mean nearly as much as you seem to think it does. Charlotte, NC is closer to Philadelphia than it is to Jackson, MS.

Many parts of the Southeast have very few if any pines at all. The terrain of Greater New Orleans is almost identical to Houston: pine and oak woodlands mixed in with bayous, marshland, and coastal prairie.
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Old 01-02-2013, 01:08 PM
 
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Southeastern: Memphis, TN

(Memphis is actually further west than New Orleans. Shreveport and the Arkansas cities are west of the Mississippi River, so they're south-central, not southeastern, though they are both a part of the south.)

Southern: Odessa, Texas (for an actual city, not a small town)
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Old 01-02-2013, 01:56 PM
 
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Southeastern: Memphis, TN

(Memphis is actually further west than New Orleans. Shreveport and the Arkansas cities are west of the Mississippi River, so they're south-central, not southeastern, though they are both a part of the south.)

Southern: Odessa, Texas (for an actual city, not a small town)
So why not Baton Rouge?
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