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I used to live in Atlanta, and I felt more at home there than I ever have in Austin or San Antonio, and that's the honest-to-God truth. Physical distance doesn't mean nearly as much as you seem to think it does. Charlotte, NC is closer to Philadelphia than it is to Jackson, MS.
Many parts of the Southeast have very few if any pines at all. The terrain of Greater New Orleans is almost identical to Houston: pine and oak woodlands mixed in with bayous, marshland, and coastal prairie.
I just drove from Miami to Charlotte NC, and what links all the areas in between the 2 cities are the abundance of pines that you encounter for hours on end. Either way, Houston just isn't in the Southeast. Culturally yea, physically, no. I agree with you that Houston is way more culturally identical to Atlanta than it is to Austin, both cities are magnants for black professionals, and are quite Southern in culture. But most of the US would have to live in the NW quadrant of the US if anywhere in Texas was considered the Southeast.
I just drove from Miami to Charlotte NC, and what links all the areas in between the 2 cities are the abundance of pines that you encounter for hours on end. Either way, Houston just isn't in the Southeast. Culturally yea, physically, no. I agree with you that Houston is way more culturally identical to Atlanta than it is to Austin, both cities are magnants for black professionals, and are quite Southern in culture. But most of the US would have to live in the NW quadrant of the US if anywhere in Texas was considered the Southeast.
I know for a fact that there are huge areas of Florida that are virtually pineless, so I can safely say that I'm sure you didn't see pines the whole way. Either way, my point still stands that many parts of the Southeast don't have pines, so the fact that Houston isn't covered in them is irrelevant.
I know for a fact that there are huge areas of Florida that are virtually pineless, so I can safely say that I'm sure you didn't see pines the whole way. Either way, my point still stands that many parts of the Southeast don't have pines, so the fact that Houston isn't covered in them is irrelevant.
Most of Houston is, the Western half isn't. That was my original point. And yes, most of Florida isn't covered, South Florida is more tropical and diffirent from the rest of the South.
Most of Houston is, the Western half isn't. That was my original point. And yes, most of Florida isn't covered, South Florida is more tropical and diffirent from the rest of the South.
Actually, western Houston does have stands of pines. It's the southern reaches of the metro that doesn't have them.
I used to consider "the southeast" to be similar to "the South". I think this was largely because I considered the states in the southeastern conference to be the southeast.
But these days I tend to think of the general dividing point being the Mississippi River. That would make somewhere like Natchez, MS the westernmost city. That is a pretty small "city" though, so you could consider the westernmost city to be one of the bigger cities along the Mississippi such as Memphis or Baton Rouge.
Places like Little Rock, Houston, and Dallas are still southern, but I think they would be considered South Central instead of Southeastern.
IMO the western most southeastern cities are Little Rock, AR and Houston, TX. But Dallas, San Antonio, and El Paso are all southwestern cities, while Tulsa is more so midwest southern
The westernmost area of the Southeast in cultural terms is the part of Texas east of the Trinity, from the Piney Woods region to the Beaumont-Port Arthur region.
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