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Old 12-05-2012, 06:01 PM
 
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I think the black population does vote in most states. Just not the Deep South for whatever reason. It's like some symbolic extension of Jim Crowe.
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Old 12-05-2012, 06:30 PM
 
Location: West Tennessee
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I'm pretty sure the border states went farther North (MD, KY, MO, etc.).
And those are still the border states. Never heard AR, TN or NC referred to as "border states".
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Old 12-05-2012, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Savannah GA
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I think the black population does vote in most states. Just not the Deep South for whatever reason. It's like some symbolic extension of Jim Crowe.
Oh good grief! Blacks vote in Southern states just as frequently as whites do. If they didn't, we would have practically ZERO black elected officials.

http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insid...orgia-ballots/

The ignorance being expressed on this thread is appalling ...
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Old 12-05-2012, 06:53 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Interesting thread. It appears that if the deep south was once home to 90% of all blacks and now contains 55% of all blacks in America.............


so it would appear that roughly a third of the original number have moved away from the south. It would also appear that most blacks moved to larger cities for jobs but it doesn't appear that many left the south to homestead and the like.

It is interesting that here in Oklahoma there are a number of small all black communities (probably 30 in number) that were made up of people who left the south to make a new start in Oklahoma AS farmers and homesteaders. One would presume that this is because of the unique way Oklahoma was settled and and the relative ease that a black man (or a group of black men) could buy land.

I believe that most blacks did not leave the south because they could sharecrop there but they would have a really hard time getting anyone to actually SELL them land. It would make no sense to uproot just to sharecrop in another state.

Ultimately, during Jim Crow segregation blacks in the south developed their own sense of community and although they were oppressed they still had each other. Why leave to risk getting oppressed somewhere else without friends and family available to help. Not to mention the fact that money was hard to come by in order to move.

Over the last 40 years I would assume that blacks have stayed in the south because things have actually gotten better there and much of the economic growth in the country has actually occurred in the south. Why should blacks in the last 40 years move to the cold climate of the northeast or midwest when those places are losing their native populations TO the south and west.
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Old 12-05-2012, 07:48 PM
 
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Another point that I don't think has been mentioned yet is that while a lot of Blacks were moving from the South to the urban areas of the North for more job opportunities and better living conditions starting in the post-Civil War era, during that same time many Blacks were also moving from the rural South to the urban South for precisely the same reasons. Atlanta is a great example of that. As a Piedmont city, it had a significantly smaller slave population than cities further South, like Savannah. However, from Reconstruction onward, lots of Blacks (and Whites) from rural areas began pouring into the city to make better lives for themselves as the city began industrializing and urbanizing.
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Old 12-05-2012, 09:58 PM
 
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Oh good grief! Blacks vote in Southern states just as frequently as whites do. If they didn't, we would have practically ZERO black elected officials.

Black voters cast more than one-third of 1.9 million early Georgia ballots | Political Insider

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Somehow the Republicans always win. Maybe in the blackest states, blacks vote Republican (opposite of everywhere else). That would be an interesting paradox.
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Old 12-05-2012, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Savannah GA
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Somehow the Republicans always win. Maybe in the blackest states, blacks vote Republican (opposite of everywhere else). That would be an interesting paradox.
Republicans don't always win; U.S. Rep. John Barrow of Georgia is a white Democrat recently re-elected from a majority conservative GOP district. He was clearly the better candidate, and the voters (mostly white) recognized that.
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Old 12-05-2012, 10:18 PM
 
Location: West Tennessee
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Republicans don't always win; U.S. Rep. John Barrow of Georgia is a white Democrat recently re-elected from a majority conservative GOP district. He was clearly the better candidate, and the voters (mostly white) recognized that.
I think people forget that many southerners still have a soft spot for Democrats that can prove that they are moderate. The Democrat party dominated southern politics for almost 100 years after all.
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Old 12-06-2012, 12:59 AM
 
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Somehow the Republicans always win. Maybe in the blackest states, blacks vote Republican (opposite of everywhere else). That would be an interesting paradox.
Not true at all. The Deep South states are red because there is more of a racial political divide, with the vast majority of Blacks voting Democrat and most Whites (in suburban and rural areas specifically) voting Republican and Whites outnumber Blacks. It's a simple function of numbers.
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Old 12-06-2012, 03:35 AM
 
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And those are still the border states. Never heard AR, TN or NC referred to as "border states".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_...ican_Civil_War)
n the context of the American Civil War, the border states were slave states that did not declare their secession from the United States before April 1861. Four slave states never declared a secession: Delaware, Kentucky, Maryland, and Missouri, and four others did not declare secession until after the 1861 Battle of Fort Sumter: Arkansas, North Carolina, Tennessee, and Virginia—after which, they were [I]less frequently called "border states". [/i]Also included as a border state during the war is West Virginia, which broke away from Confederate Virginia and became a new state in the Union.[1][2]
Its probably a matter of various scholars opinions ,but needless to say the reason that the black population drops off in area known as the border states of western theater of the Civil War is they did have reliance on slaves in comparison to Mississippi.
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