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Old 12-22-2013, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis
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While Kansas, Nebraska, North and South Dakota are technically considered the Midwest, Most Midwesterner's I know consider them to be the Great Plains. The Great Plains are often thought to be there own region separate from the Midwest to a lot of the people that live near those states.

I don't really care either way, just saying. The OP did indeed include them so.....
The Great Plains and the Midwest are not mutually exclusive. The Great Plains is a vast region of North America that stretches from Alberta to Texas. The Canadian Prairies, the Midwest, the South, and the Mountain West all contain parts of the Great Plains.
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Old 12-23-2013, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis (St. Louis Park)
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While Kansas, Nebraska, North and South Dakota are technically considered the Midwest, Most Midwesterner's I know consider them to be the Great Plains. The Great Plains are often thought to be there own region separate from the Midwest to a lot of the people that live near those states.

I don't really care either way, just saying. The OP did indeed include them so.....
I call Kansas Midwestern, yet I call the Dakotas or even Nebraska part of the Great Plains. Iknow all of them are both Midwestern and Great Plains states (the GPs are part of the larger definition of the Midwest). Maybe that's because Kansas City is in Kansas (and Missouri, I know), and KC is quentessentially Midwestern. Either way, between the two descriptions, Kasas is "Midwest" in the minds of most, I'd think.
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Old 12-23-2013, 10:05 AM
 
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I have been to every state on this list. Yippee.

North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Kansas, Minnesota, Iowa, Missouri, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, and Ohio.

ranking.

top tier
Wisconsin, minnesota, Iowa, michigan
Lower tier
Kansas, Missouri, Illinois, Indiana, ohio, South dakota, North dakota

Going off beauty of land, problem with most of these states though is they have crappy taxes, politics for what you get out of them.

So I ditched the midwest for CO.
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Old 12-23-2013, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis (St. Louis Park)
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Shut up already about the Midwest or where you now live! Once again, nobody asked you for that opinion. If/when that question is asked feel free to continue your tirade.
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Old 12-23-2013, 02:30 PM
 
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The 7 Wonders of Michigan (actually Michigan has more)
1) The Great Lakes, Michigan touches most of them
2) Sleeping Bear Dunes National Lakeshore: Declared the most beautiful place in America in 2011 by ABC’s “Good Morning America,” Sleeping Bear Dunes National Lakeshore has grown from a well-kept Michigander secret to a must-see destination for travelers from around the country.
3) Mackinac Island: Renowned for its back-in-time quaintness, its famed ban on cars and — of course — its fudge, Mackinac Island draws thousands of visitors every year and is consistently named by national media as among the best island vacations in the world.
4. Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore: Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore covers 42 miles and more than 73,000 acres of Lake Superior shoreline, but it gets its name for the 15-mile stretch of sandstone cliffs, natural stone sculptures and caverns formed by thousands of years of crashing waves.
5. Tahquamenon Falls: The second-largest state park in Michigan is home to one of the largest waterfalls east of Mississippi, but Tahquamenon Falls comes first in our book for pure, stately awesomeness.
6)Keewanah Peninsula,
7)Beaver Island,
8)Copper Harbor,
9)Torch Lake,
10) Silver Lake- Sand Dunes,
11) Porcupine Mountains;
12) Presque Isle; and
13) Soo Locks.

There is too many to name here. Guess which state is my favorite one? Michigan just needs to annex Door County from Wisconsin, annex Duluth and it shoreline on Lake Superior, and buy Cedar Point Amusement Park from Ohio, dismantle it, and move it here.
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Old 02-21-2015, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Salinas, CA
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Your cherry picked hasty generalizations are impressive, you win the interwebz today. Congrats.
Quick correction: He described "almost everyone he encountered was rude" on the bike tour. FYI: That is actually the opposite of cherry picking. If he had said a "few people", that would be cherry picking.

You have a right to not like what he said, but he definitely did not cherry pick. The generalization/description was based on the majority of his interactions, not a small number. It surprised me those people acted that way when Indiana was where the famous bicycling movie "Breaking Away (1979)" was filmed. Some people have short memories I guess. For the sake of reasonable discussion, I must correct an obvious mistake regarding the term "cherry picking". It was actually the opposite. No disrespect intended.

FWIW, Hoosiers can be proud that Indianapolis has hosted two Super Bowls. The Detroit area has also hosted two, but their first was in suburban Pontiac, a good 30 minutes away. Minneapolis will tie Indianapolis in 2018 when it hosts its second Super Bowl.

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Old 02-21-2015, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Miami, Floroda
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Michigan - it's my home state, but it does have things going for it. I'll defend the state until I die.

Michigan has some outstanding schools. Some good schools in secondary location are the school districts such as East Lansing, Haslett, Bloomfield Hills, Birmingham, etc. Onto higher education, we have some great colleges. Our best are University of Michigan and Michigan State University. University of Michigan is a top public university that excells in many areas, such as the college of business. Michigan State is great too, wonderful business programs and Lyman Briggs too. We have some great law schools too. UM is a top ten law school, Wayne and Michigan State are pretty good law schools too and MSU has a great vet school, and UM and Wayne State have great dental and medical schools as well. Further to more colleges. Wayne State is a great school too (law, medicine, dental). We also have many other colleges likes Western Michigan (only air traffic control program in MI and one of the very few in the country). We also have Central Michigan, Northern Michigan, Eastern Michigan, which are honorable schools.

On to the towns. We have some great towns. Our biggest city and metro is the Detroit metro. It's thriving with quite a few jobs. Many great suburbs, such as Bloomfield Hills, Farmington Hills, Rochester Hills, Auburn Hills, Novi, Troy, Sterling Heights. All are great cities. We also have the Lansing area, with top notch areas like East Lansing, Okemos, and Haslett. Marquette in the northern part of the state is a really nice, small, quiet town. Grand Rapids and Kalamazoo are also nice areas when you move to the west part of the state. We also have CMU and soaring eagle casino in mount pleasant if that's your thing. Ann Arbor is also a nice area to live in, but doesnt suit everyone.

Not only do we have a beautiful state, we have a BEACH. Lake Michigan is a stunning lake.

Not only do we have all that, we have very friendly citizens. We are also a short drive to cross the boarder to Canada!

The downfall though is - our economy and the very cold, long, snowy winters. Out of all the mid west states, i would always go with Michigan!
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Old 02-21-2015, 05:23 PM
 
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Everything's pretty much been covered. As a born and raised Iowan (that's lived in a few different states, mostly in the midwest), all I'll add is that I've always really liked Wisconsin. Underrated state.
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Old 02-21-2015, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Englewood, Near Eastside Indy
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Quick correction: He described "almost everyone he encountered was rude" on the bike tour. FYI: That is actually the opposite of cherry picking. If he had said a "few people", that would be cherry picking.

You have a right to not like what he said, but he definitely did not cherry pick. The generalization/description was based on the majority of his interactions, not a small number. It surprised me those people acted that way when Indiana was where the famous bicycling movie "Breaking Away (1979)" was filmed. Some people have short memories I guess. For the sake of reasonable discussion, I must correct an obvious mistake regarding the term "cherry picking". It was actually the opposite. No disrespect intended.

FWIW, Hoosiers can be proud that Indianapolis has hosted two Super Bowls. The Detroit area has also hosted two, but their first was in suburban Pontiac, a good 30 minutes away. Minneapolis will tie Indianapolis in 2018 when it hosts its second Super Bowl.
As long as we are "correcting" a year old post, it is worth noting Indianapolis has only hosted one Super Bowl. Not two. Also, the lad i talking too was making things as he went. I bike Indiana all the time. I encounter as many hostile rednecks in Indiana as do other states. Including Ohio. I don't project those interactions on entire states on the internet as he tries to.
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Old 02-21-2015, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Salinas, CA
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As long as we are "correcting" a year old post, it is worth noting Indianapolis has only hosted one Super Bowl. Not two. Also, the lad i talking too was making things as he went. I bike Indiana all the time. I encounter as many hostile rednecks in Indiana as do other states. Including Ohio. I don't project those interactions on entire states on the internet as he tries to.
Thanks for the Indy Super Bowl correction. Could have sworn they had hosted two. That will make it extra special for Minneapolis in 2018 when they host it a second time.

As to the biking, you are not disputing that he ran into rednecks in Indiana from your post; just that it was likely he did in other states too. I was still correct in saying that descriptions of a majority of people one encounters are not cherry picking (and stand by that), but definitely incorrect about Indy as a Super Bowl host. I did not look at the date of the post in this instance.

We'll let it stand as an "agree to disagree" then. Hopefully there will be fewer redneck encounters for both of you on future bike trips.
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