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Old 12-23-2012, 01:24 PM
 
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It seems like anytime you comment on the crime rate of a Dangerous city (Chicago, New Orleans, Philly ect.) They fire back with "WE have culture and unique Character" as if your town/city is sterile/cultureless if it doesn't have enough crime (Boston, Houston, Seattle ect.).
Why?
Is it because you can't quantify character or culture so they can't be disproven?
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Old 12-23-2012, 02:39 PM
 
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Im going to speak for Philadelphia. We DO have culture. More so then any citys in the U.S.A. IMHO... Our crime is mostly centered in sections of the city (ex. North, West, SouthWest, Frankford). The rest of the city is SAFE. And our metro is safe except for Camden. And I personally don't think Houston has much culture. :/ And New Orleans has plenty of culture, as well as Chicago.
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Old 12-23-2012, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Austin, Texas
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It seems like anytime you comment on the crime rate of a Dangerous city (Chicago, New Orleans, Philly ect.) They fire back with "WE have culture and unique Character" as if your town/city is sterile/cultureless if it doesn't have enough crime (Boston, Houston, Seattle ect.).
Why?
Is it because you can't quantify character or culture so they can't be disproven?
I think you placed Houston in the wrong category. It should be next to Chicago and New Orleans. It has a very high crime rate.
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Old 12-23-2012, 05:26 PM
 
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It seems like anytime you comment on the crime rate of a Dangerous city (Chicago, New Orleans, Philly ect.) They fire back with "WE have culture and unique Character" as if your town/city is sterile/cultureless if it doesn't have enough crime (Boston, Houston, Seattle ect.).
Why?
Is it because you can't quantify character or culture so they can't be disproven?
I think you've got it backwards. People are not saying that crime generates more culture, what they are saying is that people are too quick to write off an entire city in spite of its good qualities. Take Philadelphia for example. People criticize Philly all the time for its crime rate and talk about it as if there are no redeeming qualities. Philadelphia is not alone. There are many cities across the country that people talk about in similar fashion. When defenders of these cities talk about culture, they are not implying that without the crime, culture would not exist. They are countering the notion that "there are no redeeming qualities" in these cities by offering examples of culture related positive things about these cities.

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Old 12-23-2012, 10:29 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Character only makes you different. Not better nor worse.
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Old 12-23-2012, 10:51 PM
 
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OP, If you are quoting from another thread, I'd like to read it, can you post the link? It doesn't make a great deal of sense to me. Are they trying to say they have a unique culture and character of individuals in the city due to specific factors that area alone has to deal with?

I understand what Monty means, and that's true some cities get a complete bad rap without highlighting the good points of the area.
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Old 12-23-2012, 11:03 PM
 
Location: Tokyo, Japan
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I think you placed Houston in the wrong category. It should be next to Chicago and New Orleans. It has a very high crime rate.
It's murder rate by city is the same as Boston & Dallas. All three are between 11.3/100 to 11.8/100 with Dallas being the highest but all of them are periodically becoming safer year by year. None are anywhere close to Chicago & especially New Orleans, where are you getting this from?

As far as metropolitan areas go, Houston's middle of the pack & pretty decent, hella lot better than majority of the cities in the United States- but alas twice as high as Austin.

FBI — Table 6

Murder Rate by Metropolitans (MSA):
1. New Orleans-Metairie-Kenner, LA 23.7
2. Memphis, TN-MS-AR 10.6
3. Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI 9.7
4. Baltimore-Towson, MD 9.4
5. Birmingham-Hoover, AL 8.9
6. Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD 8.1
7. Kansas City, MO-KS 7.9
8. St. Louis, MO-IL 7.6
9. Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, VA-NC 6.6
10. Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI 6.4
10. Jacksonville, FL 6.4
12. Oklahoma City, OK 6.2
13. Indianapolis-Carmel, IN 6.1
13. Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL 6.1
15. Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA 6.0
15. San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA 6.0
17. Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI 5.9
18. Columbus, OH 5.7
19. Orlando-Kissimmee-Sanford, FL 5.6
19. Richmond, VA 5.6
21. Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX 5.4
22. San Antonio-New Braunfels, TX 5.1
23. Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA 4.9
23. Nashville-Davidson-Murfreesboro-Franklin, TN 4.9
23. Phoenix-Mesa-Glendale, AZ 4.9
26. Charlotte-Gastonia-Rock Hill, NC-SC 4.8
26. Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor, OH 4.8
28. Las Vegas-Paradise, NV 4.7
28. Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL 4.7
30. Cincinnati-Middletown, OH-KY-IN 4.6
31. Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX 4.5
31. New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA 4.5
33. Louisville/Jefferson County, KY-IN 4.4
33. Sacramento-Arden-Arcade-Roseville, CA 4.4
33. Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 4.4
36. Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA 4.3
37. Rochester, NY 4.1
38. Buffalo-Niagara Falls, NY 3.9
39. Pittsburgh, PA 3.8
40. Hartford-West Hartford-East Hartford, CT 3.5
41. San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA 3.3
42. Austin-Round Rock-San Marcos, TX 2.9
43. Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH 2.8
44. Denver-Aurora-Broomfield, CO 2.7
45. Raleigh-Cary, NC 2.6
45. San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA 2.6
47. Portland-Vancouver-Hillsboro, OR-WA 2.1
47. Salt Lake City, UT 2.1
47. Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA 2.1
50. Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI 1.8
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Old 12-24-2012, 12:11 AM
 
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There is a difference between "crime rate" and "murder rate". As Jimbo pointed out, though Houston has a lower murder rate than some cities listed, it does have a higher violent crime rate.
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Old 12-24-2012, 12:27 AM
 
Location: Tokyo, Japan
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There is a difference between "crime rate" and "murder rate". As Jimbo pointed out, though Houston has a lower murder rate than some cities listed, it does have a higher violent crime rate.
Well yeahh I know that but look at the OP, if he wasn't thinking of murder rates when he made that post then it wouldn't make any sense.

Either way, aside from theft- Houston's crime rate is at a 60 year low across the board. It's been shaving crime since 2008 and this year is a continuation of it as well.
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Old 12-24-2012, 12:33 AM
 
Location: New Orleans
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It's murder rate by city is the same as Boston & Dallas. All three are between 11.3/100 to 11.8/100 with Dallas being the highest but all of them are periodically becoming safer year by year. None are anywhere close to Chicago & especially New Orleans, where are you getting this from?

As far as metropolitan areas go, Houston's middle of the pack & pretty decent, hella lot better than majority of the cities in the United States- but alas twice as high as Austin.

FBI — Table 6

Murder Rate by Metropolitans (MSA):
1. New Orleans-Metairie-Kenner, LA 23.7
2. Memphis, TN-MS-AR 10.6
3. Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI 9.7
4. Baltimore-Towson, MD 9.4
5. Birmingham-Hoover, AL 8.9
6. Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD 8.1
7. Kansas City, MO-KS 7.9
8. St. Louis, MO-IL 7.6
9. Virginia Beach-Norfolk-Newport News, VA-NC 6.6
10. Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI 6.4
10. Jacksonville, FL 6.4
12. Oklahoma City, OK 6.2
13. Indianapolis-Carmel, IN 6.1
13. Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL 6.1
15. Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA 6.0
15. San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA 6.0
17. Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI 5.9
18. Columbus, OH 5.7
19. Orlando-Kissimmee-Sanford, FL 5.6
19. Richmond, VA 5.6
21. Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX 5.4
22. San Antonio-New Braunfels, TX 5.1
23. Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA 4.9
23. Nashville-Davidson-Murfreesboro-Franklin, TN 4.9
23. Phoenix-Mesa-Glendale, AZ 4.9
26. Charlotte-Gastonia-Rock Hill, NC-SC 4.8
26. Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor, OH 4.8
28. Las Vegas-Paradise, NV 4.7
28. Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL 4.7
30. Cincinnati-Middletown, OH-KY-IN 4.6
31. Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX 4.5
31. New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA 4.5
33. Louisville/Jefferson County, KY-IN 4.4
33. Sacramento-Arden-Arcade-Roseville, CA 4.4
33. Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV 4.4
36. Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA 4.3
37. Rochester, NY 4.1
38. Buffalo-Niagara Falls, NY 3.9
39. Pittsburgh, PA 3.8
40. Hartford-West Hartford-East Hartford, CT 3.5
41. San Jose-Sunnyvale-Santa Clara, CA 3.3
42. Austin-Round Rock-San Marcos, TX 2.9
43. Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH 2.8
44. Denver-Aurora-Broomfield, CO 2.7
45. Raleigh-Cary, NC 2.6
45. San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA 2.6
47. Portland-Vancouver-Hillsboro, OR-WA 2.1
47. Salt Lake City, UT 2.1
47. Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA 2.1
50. Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI 1.8
According to that website you posted, when you look at the overall property and violent (includes murder) crime rates, the Houston metro is kind of high.

For example:

Houston metro:
violent crime rate:552
property crime rate:3577

Memphis metro:
violent:980
property:4563

Detroit metro:
violent:574
property:2879

Atlanta metro:
violent:401
property:3552

Charlotte metro:
violent:428
property:3436

Chicago metro:
violent: Not listed
property:2792

New Orleans metro:
violent:491
property:3393

Miami metro:
violent:597
property:4193

New york metro:
violent:406
property:1744

Philadelphia metro:
violent:532
property:2747

San Francisco metro:
violent:508
property:3080

Los Angeles metro:
violent:405
property:233

Indianapolis metro:
Violent:586
property:3768

Austin metro:
violent:287
property:3448

Boston metro:
violent:375
property:2109

Or maybe Houston is not that high, since these numbers seem to be all over the place and there are a lot of surprises.



PS-Sorry BTA88, I dont know why I deleted my original post.
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