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Old 01-13-2013, 04:19 PM
 
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Yes, yes, that is the point...as they say lastly, the large portion of the Blacks in Cali came from LA and TX and other Deep South states but mainly those two.
Yep. Here's a map that pretty much break it down. The reverse migration patterns largely correspond to the first great migration patterns:

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Old 01-13-2013, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Hampton Roads, VA.
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Yep. Here's a map that pretty much break it down. The reverse migration patterns largely correspond to the first great migration patterns:
Looks like people from Alabama mustve been trying to go ANYwhere that wasnt Alabama. I wonder if those people are moving to WV for business or because theyre are from there though? Or are they part of that DC MSA part of WV...
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Old 01-13-2013, 05:48 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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I think the point that 757Cities Southsider was making was that Blacks in the Northeast typically have roots in Southern states along the Eastern seaboard, while Blacks in Chicago (as well as Detroit) typically have roots in MS and AL.
I never argued against that in the first place and yes that map is old. I posted that in here about a few years ago. I think there was an updated map.
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Old 01-13-2013, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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What are you trying to say? You do realize that the East Coast goes from Florida to Maine, right? The popular "Northeast" is not the entire East Coast. You do realize that MARYLAND, Virginia, and North Carolina held the majority of slaves before and after they started shipping people off to MS/AL/KY,right? And that ol southern slave state of Maryland is the home of Harriet Tubman (of Underground Railroad fame) and the ever so distinct, Frederick Douglass.

Chicago is decent...but NY city and state probably always had more Blacks, first and foremost for this reason---->>>Slavery in New York. Plus, before the "Great Migration" Blacks continouslly poured into NY especially from the Underground Railroad. But yeah, large portions of Blacks also migrated during the "Great Migration" also...and from the Caribbean. But before the "first Great Migration" in 1910 around 1838-50 James Weeks (from Virginia) was already establishing Weeksville, Brooklyn, this venture is one reason why Brooklyn became "The Borough"...especially for Blacks. After the draft riots it was a refuge from NY (Manhattan). Brooklyn was its own city, before it merged with NYC. Some people seem to forget NYs "New Amsterdam/Netherlands" past. The REAL "New" York is the original shire of Yorktown, Va.
Just as it says. That a great portion of the northeast black population came from the Southeastern states and a great portion of Chicago and the Midwest Black population came from the Delta and the Southeast as well.
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Old 01-13-2013, 05:58 PM
 
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I never argued against that in the first place and yes that map is old. I posted that in here about a few years ago. I think there was an updated map.
In this post, it seems like you were arguing that just as many people from states like AL and MS migrated to the Northeast which isn't quite correct.

And I'm aware that that map is a bit outdated, but the point yet remains.
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Old 01-13-2013, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Miss Jankins (Say nothing bad).
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Yes. An even more interesting question is do Black Southerners have more in common with White Southerners or Black Northerners?

As to the question at hand, there is a common cultural theme for most African Americans, regardless of region. Now the accents are definitely going to differ, but you'll find commonalities with cuisine (soul food), religion (Baptist, Methodist, Pentecostal, etc.), music (R&B, Gospel, Hip Hop, etc.), etc. with a bit of regional variations.
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Old 01-13-2013, 06:47 PM
 
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Could we add 2010 to that map sequence, it's really interesting.

A story about individual differences and about the difficulty of unraveling race and region : So I was recently in a small meeting in Oakland with a group that was mostly African-American. A recent white southern migrant to California was talking about how she missed the foods of the south, couldn't get the food she considered celebratory for New Years'--ham, fatback, other stuff. Some of the African-Americans in the room responded enthusiastically, but one man said he wanted to eat chicken and salad on New Years'. Such a Californian that guy!

Just because somebody, or somebody's family is from someplace doesn't mean they want to be associated with it. A lot of people want nothing to do with that country or region.
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Old 01-13-2013, 06:52 PM
 
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Could we add 2010 to that map sequence, it's really interesting.

A story about individual differences and about the difficulty of unraveling race and region : So I was recently in a small meeting in Oakland with a group that was mostly African-American. A recent white southern migrant to California was talking about how she missed the foods of the south, couldn't get the food she considered celebratory for New Years'--ham, fatback, other stuff. Some of the African-Americans in the room responded enthusiastically, but one man said he wanted to eat chicken and salad on New Years'. Such a Californian that guy!

Just because somebody, or somebody's family is from someplace doesn't mean they want to be associated with it. A lot of people want nothing to do with that country or region.
Collard greens and black-eyed peas.
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Old 01-13-2013, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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In this post, it seems like you were arguing that just as many people from states like AL and MS migrated to the Northeast which isn't quite correct.

And I'm aware that that map is a bit outdated, but the point yet remains.
No. You misunderstood. He mentioned that many people from the Northeast came from Southern states. I said the same happened for Chicago and the Midwest as well.
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Old 01-13-2013, 07:05 PM
 
Location: The Magnolia City
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Could we add 2010 to that map sequence, it's really interesting.

A story about individual differences and about the difficulty of unraveling race and region : So I was recently in a small meeting in Oakland with a group that was mostly African-American. A recent white southern migrant to California was talking about how she missed the foods of the south, couldn't get the food she considered celebratory for New Years'--ham, fatback, other stuff. Some of the African-Americans in the room responded enthusiastically, but one man said he wanted to eat chicken and salad on New Years'. Such a Californian that guy!

Just because somebody, or somebody's family is from someplace doesn't mean they want to be associated with it. A lot of people want nothing to do with that country or region.
I think that story has more to do with personal tastes in food than it does regional affiliation. I live here in the south, and I know people who ordered a pizza for their New Year's dinner.

The point is that there are always going to be some exceptions, but, generally speaking, the South's influence on American black culture can't be denied. They may not directly choose to recognize it, but that doesn't mean they're free from said influence.
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