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I have a question in regards to how other cities' populations compare to their metros. For example Atlanta only has roughly 450,000 people in the city, but its metro is nearly 5x as much, approaching 6,000,000. Are there any other cities with such a huge disparity between its city population and metro populations? I know Charlotte's is more "normal" with 750,000 vs. 1,500,000
I have a question in regards to how other cities' populations compare to their metros. For example Atlanta only has roughly 450,000 people in the city, but its metro is nearly 5x as much, approaching 6,000,000. Are there any other cities with such a huge disparity between its city population and metro populations? I know Charlotte's is more "normal" with 750,000 vs. 1,500,000
what really is normal?
City limits are a municpal boundary driven metric MSA or UA speak more to the developed size of a place
City limits are a municpal boundary driven metric MSA or UA speak more to the developed size of a place
I understand how the statistics work. Im not trying to define normal, just asking what other cities get swallowed by their MSA? Other cities could " hold their own" if the entire metro just left, but Atlanta is completely dependant upon its entire area. I think that's what I'm really trying to get at.
I understand how the statistics work. Im not trying to define normal, just asking what other cities get swallowed by their MSA? Other cities could " hold their own" if the entire metro just left, but Atlanta is completely dependant upon its entire area. I think that's what I'm really trying to get at.
DC, Miami, SF, and Boston are all relatively small as far as the city goes in this regard
Jax, SA, Austin, Indy are all large as far as cities go
I know that becuase Detroit is hollowed out, the MSA is about 6 times the size of the population within the city limits. Because DC is realtively small I think the ratio city to MSA is even larger, likley eight to one. In a big city like NYC its more like three to one.
As to which cities could "hold their own" w/o a metro area I thinhk it's pretty clear that the more economic activity that's concentrated in the core city, the easier that would be. So left to its own devices, a place like Detroit with relatively little central city business would sink. But even a small city in a big metro with a healthy economy would likely do OK. Think DC or San Fran -- even with their robust suburban economies.
Yeah, I think Orlando's MSA is like ten times the population of the core city's. Same goes for Hartford's.
Various factors are at play: First, the ability or inability of a city to annex land. Landlocked cities like Washington, and independent cities such as Baltimore and St. Louis, cannot increase their area. So naturally the suburbs experience most all of the growth in population.
Another factor is the tendency for sprawl of an urban area. Some cities, like El Paso and Bakersfield, haven't experienced the great emigration to the suburbs like other cities, such as Detroit and Cleveland.
Then there's the rampant land annexation by some cities, gobbling up suburban areas, increasing the city's size. Good examples are KCMO and Houston.
And let's not forgot those MSA's with two or more core cities, including Minneapolis-St. Paul, Dallas-Ft. Worth, the Inland Empire, Tampa-St. Pete, and Hampton Roads. The dynamics of population in those MSA's will obviously vary from those with one core city.
Bottom line: Each urban area has a slightly different set of circumstances, be it geographic or other, which dictates what portion of the population resides within or outside the core city.
Yeah, I think Orlando's MSA is like ten times the population of the core city's. Same goes for Hartford's.
Various factors are at play: First, the ability or inability of a city to annex land. Landlocked cities like Washington, and independent cities such as Baltimore and St. Louis, cannot increase their area. So naturally the suburbs experience most all of the growth in population.
Another factor is the tendency for sprawl of an urban area. Some cities, like El Paso and Bakersfield, haven't experienced the great emigration to the suburbs like other cities, such as Detroit and Cleveland.
Then there's the rampant land annexation by some cities, gobbling up suburban areas, increasing the city's size. Good examples are KCMO and Houston.
And let's not forgot those MSA's with two or more core cities, including Minneapolis-St. Paul, Dallas-Ft. Worth, the Inland Empire, Tampa-St. Pete, and Hampton Roads. The dynamics of population in those MSA's will obviously vary from those with one core city.
Bottom line: Each urban area has a slightly different set of circumstances, be it geographic or other, which dictates what portion of the population resides within or outside the core city.
Long time reader, first time poster. It's insane here in orlando, our population is 238k and the metro is around 2.1 million plus the 50 million tourists we get a year! The drawback is not having a downtown that looks like 2 million people live here...
I have a question in regards to how other cities' populations compare to their metros. For example Atlanta only has roughly 450,000 people in the city, but its metro is nearly 5x as much, approaching 6,000,000. Are there any other cities with such a huge disparity between its city population and metro populations? I know Charlotte's is more "normal" with 750,000 vs. 1,500,000
Miami is another example of this. Miami proper is tiny (36 square miles) and less than 410,000 people with a MSA over 5.6 million.
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