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Old 01-18-2013, 01:07 PM
 
Location: Lincoln, NE (via SW Virginia)
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Here is my case for Virginia. I understand that some of it's "southernness" has diluted over the years due to the crazy high rates of migration to the beltway area but I still hold it's significance as THE or one of the top two (other SC) foundation states to what we know today as "southern" culture.
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Sweet Tea---First ever published recipe of this southern staple was in Housekeeping in Old Virginia
College Football---UVA versus UNC is regarded as the "Oldest rivalry in the South."
Most significant capital of the confederacy.......Richmond, VA
Robert E Friggin' Lee---Commander of the Confederate Army of No. Virginia
Virginia Ham and Brunswick Stew----Smithfield and Brunswick, VA respectively (lets not forget the nc/va pig pickins)
Last capital of the confederacy....Danville, VA
Tobacco----Phillip Morris and Marlboro Richmond
The Bristol Sessions----First country music recordings featured the Carter family from Maces Springs, VA
Most civil war battles on her soil----Virginia
Nascar----Initial roots in backwoods between VA and NC for bootleggers moving liquor between the mountains to evade police
Head of the 700 Club, the Christian Broadcasting Network, and Southern Baptist Minister---Pat Robertson from Lexington, VA
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Virginia has a heavy hand in the history of the confederacy, nascar, country/bluegrass music, southern cuisine, tobacco, southern baptists, and southern military figures.

It HAS diluted a bit over the years as our population has become more mobile but to disqualify the state as a foundation of the south is just nuts, imo.
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Old 01-18-2013, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Atlanta ,GA
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In your post, you said that NC was no more "New South" than GA. In other words, you seemed to be suggesting they're equal. All I was saying is that I think the latter has an edge.
I was implying that at BEST they are equal but in my opinion I would give the edge to Georgia.Especially looking at issues like civil rights.
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Old 01-18-2013, 07:12 PM
 
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I have no idea what everyone else here is trying to analyze. You can't truly appreciate the South without recognizing every corner, every facet of it, and understanding that no one state is more important to its culture.
Exactly

1) Colonial history

English Colonial
Virginia, N.Carolina, S.Carolina, Georgia

Spanish Colonial
Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Florida

French Colonial
Texas, Oklahoma, Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi,, Alabama,

The French, English, and Spanish and had large influence in southern culture and history. Depending on the location reflect the degree. Saying Texas is not the south because of Spanish history is as dumb as saying Louisiana is not because the french and Virginia isn't because of the English. News flash to city data posters the south is not monolithic. There isn't a defining southern state.

2) Also the south is a collection of sub regions with different histories.

The Gulf
The Piedmont
The low country and Atlantic coast
Southern Appalachia
Upper south
Mississippi Delta
Remaining Deep south
Southern Plains
and etc

3) Last the south can be cosmopolitan. A place becoming more diverse isn't becoming less southern but redefining what southern is.
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Old 01-18-2013, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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Historically Important
South Carolina
Virginia
Georgia

New South
Atlanta (GA is nowhere close to the New South. ATL just stands out in that regards)
North Carolina
East Texas

Musically
Georgia
Tennessee

Geographically
Tennessee/North Carolina - Appalachian Culture
South Carolina - Low Country Culture....
Please place Mississippi and Louisiana under musically.
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Old 01-19-2013, 09:03 AM
 
Location: The Magnolia City
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Please place Mississippi and Louisiana under musically.
If that's the case, you can't discount Texas.
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Old 01-19-2013, 12:00 PM
 
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North Carolina is no more New South than Georgia.New South.
Atlanta is larger than Charlotte,Research Triangle Combined CSA populations and area wide combined.
I think you have a misunderstanding of what New South is.
As a state, I think NC's policies are more "New South" than GA's. However, as a city/metro, Atlanta is obviously a leader and is often the default face of the New South.

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Why would South Carolina be more important Historically than Virginia or Georgia?VA was the first state to have settlers.
I'm not sure if he was listing the states in order. But if he were, SC would come right after VA IMO.
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Old 01-19-2013, 06:47 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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If that's the case, you can't discount Texas.
Yeah Texas has a deep music history. But the birthplace of blues and jazz should never be discounted. It's basically 80% of Black Music if not more. Nearly all of it comes from those styles of music.
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Old 01-19-2013, 07:19 PM
 
Location: One of the 13 original colonies.
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Virginia and South Carolina.
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Old 01-19-2013, 08:40 PM
 
Location: The Magnolia City
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Yeah Texas has a deep music history. But the birthplace of blues and jazz should never be discounted. It's basically 80% of Black Music if not more. Nearly all of it comes from those styles of music.
I only bring it up because Texas' contributions to early black music go virtually unrecognized. Few people know that before blues made its way to Memphis, it was already a recognized style of music in Texas. And Texas native Scott Joplin was the master of ragtime, which predates jazz.
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Old 01-20-2013, 06:30 AM
 
Location: Atlanta ,GA
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As a state, I think NC's policies are more "New South" than GA's. However, as a city/metro, Atlanta is obviously a leader and is often the default face of the New South.



I'm not sure if he was listing the states in order. But if he were, SC would come right after VA IMO.
Its rather subjective but people are mostly saying this mainly because of N.C. larger cities.Over and over people want to "take Atlanta out" of the equation.Its not fair.States should be measured as they are.As I said before,the metro area is nearly.

By policies i'm not sure what you mean and what outcomes should those policies should bear or produce.By evey measure that and you take both states and look at their profiles,GA clearly beat North Carolina.I just think NC has this image solely because of the RTP reputation.

Median Incomes
Educational attainment
More minority owned firms
Georgia is significantly more diverse
It ranks higher in being better for business/Less taxes
The economy is about even.Georgia has higher GDP
Georgia has better infrastructure.I would give North Carolina an edge in Technology implementation.

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http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/13000.html
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