U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > General U.S.
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
View Poll Results: Which non-Confederate state is the most Southern?
Oklahoma 63 23.33%
Kentucky 163 60.37%
West Virginia 44 16.30%
Voters: 270. You may not vote on this poll

Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 02-01-2013, 05:33 PM
 
Location: OKIE-Ville
5,412 posts, read 7,704,410 times
Reputation: 3054

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by stlouisan View Post
Grouping Missouri, Maryland, and Delaware with the three states listed on the thread opener in a modern standpoint is ridiculous. These states lean more Northern from a modern standpoint and this is certainly true of their major cities. Kansas City, St. Louis, Wilmington and Baltimore have nothing in common with Louisville, Charleston, Tulsa, or Oklahoma City.
Absolutely.

Also, as it pertains to Oklahoma's history, a lot of folks (for whatever reason) forget that Oklahoma was Confederate Territory. Kentucky and West Virginia were much more split on allegiance to either the Union and/or Confederacy.

Oklahoma, of course, was not a state at this time, but it was a territory controlled by the Confederacy. The last battle of Cherokee General Stand Watie occurred on Indian Territory (present day Oklahoma) soil.

SCV Oklahoma Division

*Don't worry, I'm not one of the guys in the picture.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 02-01-2013, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Southeast Arizona
3,191 posts, read 4,133,053 times
Reputation: 2104
The thing is, Oklahoma is pretty much Confederate...in a way.

The 5 Civilized tribes that made up Oklahoma were Confederate and the territory sat under Confederate control during the war.

Kentucky sat under Confederate control, twice, during the war.

Much of West Virginia sat under Confederate control during the war too.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-01-2013, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Pine Ridge, Florida
74 posts, read 117,089 times
Reputation: 107
Parts of Arizona and New Mexico were also occupied by the Confederacy. In fact, Arizona was not a named territory until the Confederates created one. Neither one of the states is Southern, except maybe Arizona's politics.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-05-2013, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Suburbs of Cleveland
193 posts, read 346,978 times
Reputation: 115
Kentucky is really the only all-southern state listed. West Virginia has a lot of northeastern/mid atlantic influences, and Oklahoma has a lot of Western influences (I would say OKC is much more western than southern).
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-05-2013, 05:01 PM
 
Location: The Magnolia City
8,931 posts, read 11,796,452 times
Reputation: 4853
Quote:
Originally Posted by natethegreatforlife View Post
Kentucky is really the only all-southern state listed. West Virginia has a lot of northeastern/mid atlantic influences, and Oklahoma has a lot of Western influences (I would say OKC is much more western than southern).
And, of course, there isn't an ounce of Midwestern influence to be found in Kentucky, right?

...c'mon, now. Each of these states clearly overlap with non-southern regions.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-06-2013, 06:21 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma
6,843 posts, read 6,181,041 times
Reputation: 6120
Quote:
Originally Posted by Desert kid View Post
The thing is, Oklahoma is pretty much Confederate...in a way.

The 5 Civilized tribes that made up Oklahoma were Confederate and the territory sat under Confederate control during the war.

.
This isn't accurate. The Chickasaw and Choctaw aligned with the confederacy. The Creeks and Seminole aligned with the Union and the Cherokee were split.

Furthermore, while the confederates did control a good portion of the territory initially during the war, the Union won both major battles fought in Indian territory (Honey Springs and Boggy Creek) and occupied the key points in indian territory.

There were several smaller battles that the confederacy won in Indian territory, most notably the battle of Round Mountain. Ironically the battles that the confederates won in IT were against Union troops consisting of Seminole and Creek soldiers.

Last edited by eddie gein; 02-06-2013 at 06:30 AM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-06-2013, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
12,414 posts, read 11,913,851 times
Reputation: 10533
Nothing shows Louisville as the intersection of Southern and Lower Midland culture better than this picture I think.



Are they shotgun houses? Are they detached single-story rowhouses? Kinda both.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-15-2013, 11:02 PM
 
Location: OKIE-Ville
5,412 posts, read 7,704,410 times
Reputation: 3054
Quote:
Originally Posted by eddie gein View Post
This isn't accurate. The Chickasaw and Choctaw aligned with the confederacy. The Creeks and Seminole aligned with the Union and the Cherokee were split.

Furthermore, while the confederates did control a good portion of the territory initially during the war, the Union won both major battles fought in Indian territory (Honey Springs and Boggy Creek) and occupied the key points in indian territory.

There were several smaller battles that the confederacy won in Indian territory, most notably the battle of Round Mountain. Ironically the battles that the confederates won in IT were against Union troops consisting of Seminole and Creek soldiers.
As a Choctaw with ties to the Confederacy from both Native American & Anglo stock I say, serves those Seminole/Creek right!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-15-2013, 11:09 PM
 
Location: St. Louis, MO
4,009 posts, read 5,507,822 times
Reputation: 4545
I would have to go with Kentucky an easy first... and West Virginia a distant second... Oklahoma a lightyears third.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 02-16-2013, 12:40 AM
 
12,050 posts, read 11,142,366 times
Reputation: 10009
Quote:
Originally Posted by glamatomic View Post
I would have to go with Kentucky an easy first... and West Virginia a distant second... Oklahoma a lightyears third.
Agreed -- of these three states, Kentucky is the only solidy "southern" state. Oklahoma is cowboy and Indian country -- the West with a bit of midwest thrown in. A lot of folks from West Virginia are pretty quick to point out that they were NOT part of the Confederacy whereas folks from Kentucky almost seem apologetic about this fact.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > General U.S.
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top