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Old 05-24-2015, 09:40 PM
 
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I've never met any Southerners with non-rhotic accents.

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Old 05-25-2015, 07:42 PM
 
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Whoever here, said "I've never met any southerners with non-rhotic accents" has never listened to President Jimmy Carter..... or evangelist Billy Graham..... or watched "In the Heat of the Night"..... or watched old news clips of the Civil Rights movement.

Maybe they're too young to remember any of these.
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Old 05-26-2015, 08:23 AM
 
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Non-rhotic accents have been dying off in the coastal south for at least two generations now. However, they are in no danger of going extinct in the Boston or NYC area. They've developed into a sociolect in both places (if you grow up in a wealthier area, you probably don't drop your r's) but anyone from the Boston or NYC metro can tell you that plenty of younger lower-middle and working-class white people still drop their r's.

As a former New Yorker, the best thing that can happen to that area is for that non-rhotic accent to disappear totally. I believe the accent is at the root of many negative stereotypes of Northeasterners in general. As a former Southerner, I will agree with another poster that I have never heard a person with a Southern accent dropping the letter r (except on tv, of course). In most Southern accents that I've heard, the letter r is very distinctively pronounced.
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Old 05-26-2015, 12:27 PM
 
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I have not met many White New Yorkers of the millennial type that are non-rhotic. I feel like non-rhoticism has a stigma in New York these days. These days New Yorkers have more of a general Northern sound I feel. Black NYers and Hispanic NYers are non-rhotic, though.
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Old 05-26-2015, 01:36 PM
 
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I have not met many White New Yorkers of the millennial type that are non-rhotic. I feel like non-rhoticism has a stigma in New York these days. These days New Yorkers have more of a general Northern sound I feel. Black NYers and Hispanic NYers are non-rhotic, though.
I don't think Black New Yorkers are non-rhotic. AAVE is supposedly non-rhotic but that's true only in certain cases.
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Old 05-26-2015, 04:11 PM
 
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I don't think Black New Yorkers are non-rhotic. AAVE is supposedly non-rhotic but that's true only in certain cases.
Really? Some I have met have that Black New York accent ala Jay-Z. Even to the degree of intrusive R's making their way in vowel transitions. But, I don't live there so my experience is limited. Nuyoricans still seem non-rhotic to this day. So even in non-White examples the rhoticism is increasing?

I know here in Chicago many Blacks are still non-rhotic of the Mississippi accent variety. Some Puerto Ricans in Chicago at times develop a Mississippi accent-like sound in neighborhoods where they live alongside Blacks. So they are non-rhotic in the Deep South Black form. This isn't heard in Mexicans, though. They adopt the speech patterns of Whites IF they get rid of their Mexican accent.

Here in Baltimore everyone is rhotic. Kinda like in Philly. Of course they've always been rhotic so it's kind of a moot point. Before I moved to Maryland people asked me if I was moving to "Baltimaw" and they said it jokingly in a non-rhotic attempt at sounding East Coast. I quickly corrected them and said that no one talks like that here because it's not New York, and that the town's name is "Baldamorr" or "Balmer" if you're old school and White. But Blacks and Whites of the millennial variety say the R and it's strong.

This goes along with the theory of the Mid-Atlantic dialect spreading West to become the Midland dialect and influencing most of American speech as a whole. This is why you hear Philly-like pronunciation as far West as Kansas and Oklahoma.

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Old 05-26-2015, 07:00 PM
 
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I have not met many White New Yorkers of the millennial type that are non-rhotic. I feel like non-rhoticism has a stigma in New York these days. These days New Yorkers have more of a general Northern sound I feel. Black NYers and Hispanic NYers are non-rhotic, though.
How many white New Yorkers have you met who aren't transplants?

You don't really meet many young white native New Yorkers these days unless you're looking in South Brooklyn, Queens, or Staten Island. Or, if you're talking about the broader accent, Long Island, Westchester County, and nearby parts of New Jersey as well.
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Old 05-26-2015, 08:00 PM
 
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How many white New Yorkers have you met who aren't transplants?

You don't really meet many young white native New Yorkers these days unless you're looking in South Brooklyn, Queens, or Staten Island. Or, if you're talking about the broader accent, Long Island, Westchester County, and nearby parts of New Jersey as well.
Fair enough. In that way White young native NYers are a rare breed, anyway.
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Fair enough. In that way White young native NYers are a rare breed, anyway.
Maybe, but they're plenty in the suburbs.
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