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Basically where do you think these cities ought to be grouped? My personal vote would be that they are a mix...not decidedly either one. Although, my tendency would be to group them in with Midwestern cities before cities in the BosWash corridor.
I don't ever even think about Pittsburgh as a Northeastern city, personally. It's just so west. PA is too dang long.
Someone mentioned that these cities listed in question here are in the Great Lakes region, I'd have to agree with that. So I guess I pick the third option, really. While the states that border a Great Lake (NY, PA) may overlap also as Northeastern states, the cities fit more into the Great Lakes profile. Pittsburgh is much closer to Lake Erie than it is to major Northeastern cities Boston, NYC, Philly, and DC.
Nobody start a fight with me, please, this is my opinion and no amount of snark or convincing can change it.
I was saying that the Northeast has hockey as its premire College sport, then starting at the Penn state área it becomes all about football.
I disagree with this. Football is big in the Northeast, at the high school and college level. I don't think we're as into hockey as you think… NJ's most well known and kind of only major state school, Rutgers, can definitely list football as its major sport (I never even hear about the Rutgers hockey, to be honest). So can my little college I went to in NYC. Maybe it's broken down even more geographically to Mid-Atlantic and New England, which is colder than the Mid-Atantic states but IMO hockey is not that major of a college sport in the Northeast.
I disagree with this. Football is big in the Northeast, at the high school and college level. I don't think we're as into hockey as you think… NJ's most well known and kind of only major state school, Rutgers, can definitely list football as its major sport (I never even hear about the Rutgers hockey, to be honest). So can my little college I went to in NYC. Maybe it's broken down even more geographically to Mid-Atlantic and New England, which is colder than the Mid-Atantic states but IMO hockey is not that major of a college sport in the Northeast.
Yale, Harvard, BC, BU, Cornell, Northeastern, Clarkson, UNH, UMASS Lowell, UMASS Amherst, Dartmouth, Quinnipiac, Ithaca, Swarthmore, Columbia, and UVM are all hockey schools.
there are a few Football schools in the Northeast but not as prominent.
In the Midwest there are a few Hockey schools in Minnesota but for the most part its all about the football.
Yale, Harvard, BC, BU, Cornell, Northeastern, Clarkson, UNH, UMASS Lowell, UMASS Amherst, Dartmouth, Quinnipiac, Ithaca, Swarthmore, Columbia, and UVM are all hockey schools.
there are a few Football schools in the Northeast but not as prominent.
In the Midwest there are a few Hockey schools in Minnesota but for the most part its all about the football.
The large majority of those schools are in New England.
I think that because of weather differences, you can't definitively say which college sport the Northeast chooses as a favorite. The Northeast is too big of a region and varies in overall climate and weather, though it may not seem like it. But for New England, yes I would agree with hockey.
I would say mixed, although being from the northeast those places don't feel very northeastern to me, they feel more like the great lakes region/upper midwest.
Strangely, when I was in Cleveland it felt more northeastern to me than Buffalo or Pittsburgh. And in Pittsburgh the accents sound southern to me.
What's funny about it is that cities like Wilmington, DE and Baltimore, MD are more Northeastern in culture than cities like Pittsburgh and Buffalo are and yet the Census excludes those cities.
Interior Northeast is still Northeast.
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...in Pittsburgh the accents sound southern to me.
Midland accents are not Southern accents. They might have a quality or two that sounds Southern, but then again, the Boston accent in non-rhotic just like the Atlantic coastal Southern accent.
Yale, Harvard, BC, BU, Cornell, Northeastern, Clarkson, UNH, UMASS Lowell, UMASS Amherst, Dartmouth, Quinnipiac, Ithaca, Swarthmore, Columbia, and UVM are all hockey schools.
there are a few Football schools in the Northeast but not as prominent.
In the Midwest there are a few Hockey schools in Minnesota but for the most part its all about the football.
The sports reference is actually pretty spot on. However, for the northeast I would use Lacrosse as a better example - and I know lacross is big in Buffalo, but not in pittsburgh, as its practically non-existanct in the midwest. The top programs are all east coast schools such as syracuse, hopkins, cornell, princeton.
While sports is only one example, I think the overwhelming evidence points to Buffalo being a northeastern city (not to mention the poll on the first page). Just because some aspects are "midwestern-like" does not make it a midwestern city. If having qualities of another region meant you were kicked out of the northeast club then sections of the philadelphia suburbs (with there southern accents) would not be considered northeast - which of course, would be ridiculous.
The sports reference is actually pretty spot on. However, for the northeast I would use Lacrosse as a better example - and I know lacross is big in Buffalo, but not in pittsburgh, as its practically non-existanct in the midwest. The top programs are all east coast schools such as syracuse, hopkins, cornell, princeton.
While sports is only one example, I think the overwhelming evidence points to Buffalo being a northeastern city (not to mention the poll on the first page). Just because some aspects are "midwestern-like" does not make it a midwestern city. If having qualities of another region meant you were kicked out of the northeast club then sections of the philadelphia suburbs (with there southern accents) would not be considered northeast - which of course, would be ridiculous.
Lacrosse does have a following in Pittsburgh that I'd say is more than only a few. Most school districts have their own lacrosse team.
The sports reference is actually pretty spot on. However, for the northeast I would use Lacrosse as a better example - and I know lacross is big in Buffalo, but not in pittsburgh, as its practically non-existanct in the midwest. The top programs are all east coast schools such as syracuse, hopkins, cornell, princeton.
While sports is only one example, I think the overwhelming evidence points to Buffalo being a northeastern city (not to mention the poll on the first page). Just because some aspects are "midwestern-like" does not make it a midwestern city. If having qualities of another region meant you were kicked out of the northeast club then sections of the philadelphia suburbs (with there southern accents) would not be considered northeast - which of course, would be ridiculous.
Lacrosse is becoming more popular in the midwest, and is quite popular here in Colorado, which some great minds on CD also like to classify as midwest.
The funny thing is, I grew up in Pittsburgh, in the opinion of some the eastern terminus of the midwest, and I have lived half my life in Denver, in the opinion of some the western terminus. LOL!
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What's funny about it is that cities like Wilmington, DE and Baltimore, MD are more Northeastern in culture than cities like Pittsburgh and Buffalo are and yet the Census excludes those cities.
Please describe northeastern and midwestern culture. Compare and contrast.
Yale, Harvard, BC, BU, Cornell, Northeastern, Clarkson, UNH, UMASS Lowell, UMASS Amherst, Dartmouth, Quinnipiac, Ithaca, Swarthmore, Columbia, and UVM are all hockey schools.
there are a few Football schools in the Northeast but not as prominent.
In the Midwest there are a few Hockey schools in Minnesota but for the most part its all about the football.
So says the man from Boston!
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While the states that border a Great Lake (NY, PA) may overlap also as Northeastern states, the cities fit more into the Great Lakes profile. Pittsburgh is much closer to Lake Erie than it is to major Northeastern cities Boston, NYC, Philly, and DC. 
