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View Poll Results: Are Pittsburgh, Erie, and Buffalo Northeastern or Midwestern?
Northeastern 42 50.60%
Midwestern 10 12.05%
Mixed 31 37.35%
Voters: 83. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-21-2016, 03:05 PM
 
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Whenever I hear someone from Buffalo talking I always incorrectly guess they are from somewhere in the Midwest. Their accent is a lot closer to the Midwestern Great Lakes cities than the Northeast.
Are you saying that people in other parts of the Northeast have a uniform accent?
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Whenever I hear someone from Buffalo talking I always incorrectly guess they are from somewhere in the Midwest. Their accent is a lot closer to the Midwestern Great Lakes cities than the Northeast.
Whenever hear someone from Michigan talking I always incorrectly assume they're from upstate NY (west of the Hudson Valley). A few times in Oregon I noticed locals with an upstate NY accents; they were transplants from upstate NY.
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Old 01-21-2016, 06:50 PM
 
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Whenever hear someone from Michigan talking I always incorrectly assume they're from upstate NY (west of the Hudson Valley). A few times in Oregon I noticed locals with an upstate NY accents; they were transplants from upstate NY.
This may clarify things in that regard:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aL0--f89Qds

More: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4HLYe31MBrg

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Old 01-21-2016, 07:04 PM
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Wow! This thread really took off!

I went back to my last post. I multiquoted a lot, but I won't post all of it. (Don't everyone cheer at once now!)

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It was a little more than vacation, and I was going more for the identity. When my MIL wanted to go to the big city for a shopping weekend, Chicago was never brought up. It was always New York.

If you ask any one of my in-laws, all born and bred Pittsburghers, they say they're northeastern. They laugh if anyone suggests otherwise.

I'm not the first on this thread or ever to say that.
Exactly! I grew up in the Pittsburgh area. My mom was from Wisconsin, so we'd visit the midwest. No one else I knew there went farther west than Ohio, except for my friend who had an older sister in CA. Going to DC was the big event.

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I truly doubt that anyone is saying these cities are actually in the Midwest, just that they may have some similarities with Midwest cities that are nearby, which I can see, as most areas that are border regions have this.
You must not hang out much on the Pittsburgh forum, where this topic comes up with some frequency, or used to anyway.

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The argument isn't that Pittsburgh isn't in a geographically Northeastern state. The argument is why not treat these cities the same way we do Baltimore and DC where we ignore "arbitrary state lines" and group them with cities to the North instead of the South. If the Maryland-Pennsylvania border is arbitrary when it comes to the "Northeasterness" of Baltimore and DC, then it stands to reason that the Ohio-New York-Pennsylvania border would be equally arbitrary in classifying Buffalo, Cleveland, Erie or Pittsburgh one way or the other.
Because that's not the way it is!

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This blogger says a sure fire way to **** someone from Pittsburgh off is to call it a Midwestern city.

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Pittsburgh is part of the Northeastern states and is a lot closer to New York than Nebraska in behavioural patterns, the artistic community, and tech influences
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http://matadornetwork.com/life/****-someone-pittsburgh/

My question is why. Is it simply a matter of Pittsburghers being sticklers about geography? Or do they prefer the connotations of cosmopolitan Washington over those of provincial Cleveland?
Lemme tell you, as someone who is married to a Nebraskan, and has spent a lot of time in Nebraska, probably more than most of the rest of you put together, he's full of it if he thinks Nebraskans are a lot of hicks! Half of all Nebraskans live in the Omaha MSA, and Omaha is a city that is bigger than Pittsburgh, in part because the avaricious city council of Omaha goes around gobbling up the rest of Douglas County, but also because it is a growing city, rather than declining, like Pittsburgh. I think it's funny that another poster said that Pittsburgh's MSA has "only" declined by 15% (since 1970, though I don't think he stated). This at a time when the population of the US grew by about 50%. By that measure, the Pittsburgh MSA should be about 4,000,000. The artistic community? Surely the blogger jests. I agree, Pittsburgh is a heavy hitter on the arts because it was once much larger, but Omaha is no slouch. Henry Fonda and Marlon Brando got their starts there, at the Omaha Community Theater. There are numerous art museums and other art offerings there, and a big music scene. Did you know Mannheim Steamroller is from Omaha? I'm sure the blogger doesn't. Tech 'influences'? Well, Omaha doesn't have a CMU, but they do have the UNO and Creighton and quite a bit of high tech there. It's not all farm products. That joker blogger probably thinks they still are packing a lot of meat in Omaha.

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"Eastern" and "Northeastern" go beyond mere geographic descriptors on this forum. When people say "it leans more Eastern," they really mean "more like New York or DC," which really means educated, liberal, sophisticated, cosmopolitan, etc. Just look at any of the "Cleveland is not the Midwest" threads to see this line of thought.
Yeah, you and Donald Trump! What hubris! Though I did agree with Trump's response to that jerk Cruz.

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I can come up with a few things people might think of being "Midwestern" or at least associated more with the Upper Midwest cities.

-Steel and auto industry
-White working class
-Fewer "latte" liberals
-More conservative Republicans
-"Humility"

Those are the big ones.
I think the "latte" liberals have been discussed previously. Chicago and Minneapolis, two midwestern cities I know fairly well, certainly have more than their share.

The idea that Republicans in the midwest are more conservative (than what, btw?) is false. Most are typical "Main Street" Republicans. You'll find a lot more regulations, etc in the MW than here in Libertarian Colorado. Aside from Scott Walker, Wisconsin is pretty liberal, Minnesota is downright socialist, Illinois is Democrat (Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton anyone?).

Humility doesn't seem to really describe oh, Mayor Daley (both of them), Rahm Emmanuel, Jesse Ventura, Bob Kerrey, or many other midwestern pols that I can think of, nor does it describe most of the midwesterners I have known, and I not only married one, I lived in the MW (Champaign, IL) for 7 years.

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didn't realize San Francisco's was named after Philadelphia's.
Yes! Isn't Market St. a fairly generic name?
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The idea that Republicans in the midwest are more conservative (than what, btw?) is false. Most are typical "Main Street" Republicans. You'll find a lot more regulations, etc in the MW than here in Libertarian Colorado. Aside from Scott Walker, Wisconsin is pretty liberal, Minnesota is downright socialist, Illinois is Democrat (Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton anyone?).
What sort of regulations?

Wisconsin also elected Paul Ryan, who's rather conservative. Minnesota also elected Michelle Bachmann, who while more conservative than typical for the state isn't some who could elected in New England, or upstate or downstate New York (not really that many evangelicals). Long Island's loudest Republican (Peter King) speaks favorably of public worker unions and some gun control... and at one time the IRA. Overall, Wisconsin, Michigan and Minnesota are "purple" but the Republican Party there seems more conservative than much of the Northeast.
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Old 01-21-2016, 08:09 PM
 
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Are you saying that people in other parts of the Northeast have a uniform accent?
Absolutely not. There is a lady at work with an accent. I am the ONLY one who correctly guessed Boston. EVERY other person said to her "you must be from New York".

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Old 01-21-2016, 08:37 PM
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What sort of regulations?

Wisconsin also elected Paul Ryan, who's rather conservative. Minnesota also elected Michelle Bachmann, who while more conservative than typical for the state isn't some who could elected in New England, or upstate or downstate New York (not really that many evangelicals). Long Island's loudest Republican (Peter King) speaks favorably of public worker unions and some gun control... and at one time the IRA. Overall, Wisconsin, Michigan and Minnesota are "purple" but the Republican Party there seems more conservative than much of the Northeast.
Stuff like seat belt laws, baby seat laws and such were, if I recall correctly, pased there before here. They spend more on education in most MW states than here as well. Nebraska just eliminated the death penalty, as did Illinois a few years ago. WI and MN haven't had the death penalty for many decades.
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Old 01-21-2016, 08:59 PM
 
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No, these cities are not Midwestern. The only one that is even debatable is Erie. Northeastern Ohio (Cleveland area) happens to be more Northeast than Midwest, simply because it was settled by New Englanders. Does that mean Ohio is a Northeastern state? Absolutely not.
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Old 01-21-2016, 09:14 PM
 
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Absolutely not. There is a lady at work with an accent. I am the ONLY one who correctly guessed Boston. EVERY other person said to her "you must be from New York".

I
Hah! She must hate that!
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Old 01-21-2016, 09:26 PM
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Stuff like seat belt laws, baby seat laws and such were, if I recall correctly, pased there before here. They spend more on education in most MW states than here as well. Nebraska just eliminated the death penalty, as did Illinois a few years ago. WI and MN haven't had the death penalty for many decades.
Massachusetts passed a seat belt law after Colorado did and its law is relatively weak. No law after cell phone use and driving, though the legislature passed laws recently for teenage drivers and for texting and driving. A state referendum also removed all alcohol taxes.

On the other hand, I've noticed out west "payday loans", they're prohibited in Massachusetts.

Here's public education spending:

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