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View Poll Results: Are Pittsburgh, Erie, and Buffalo Northeastern or Midwestern?
Northeastern 42 50.60%
Midwestern 10 12.05%
Mixed 31 37.35%
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Old 01-21-2016, 09:54 PM
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Massachusetts passed a seat belt law after Colorado did and its law is relatively weak. No law after cell phone use and driving, though the legislature passed laws recently for teenage drivers and for texting and driving. A state referendum also removed all alcohol taxes.

On the other hand, I've noticed out west "payday loans", they're prohibited in Massachusetts.

Here's public education spending:
RE: education-all the midwestern states except Indiana and S. Dakota spend more than CO.

I dunno, we could argue this kind of stuff far into the night, but I don't find the midwestern Republicans anything like the Libertarians here. We have a crazy tax limitation clause in our constitution that does not allow the state to run a surplus, ever. All surplus taxes have to be returned to the people.
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Old 01-22-2016, 07:15 AM
 
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Humility doesn't seem to really describe oh, Mayor Daley (both of them), Rahm Emmanuel, Jesse Ventura, Bob Kerrey, or many other midwestern pols that I can think of, nor does it describe most of the midwesterners I have known, and I not only married one, I lived in the MW (Champaign, IL) for 7 years.
I wasn't talking about politicians per se. I was speaking more broadly about a more reserved Midwestern sensibility.

Chicago isn't really known for loud-talking hot shots. Definitely not Pittsburgh.
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Old 01-22-2016, 07:19 AM
 
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I wasn't talking about politicians per se. I was speaking more broadly about a more reserved Midwestern sensibility.

Chicago isn't really known for loud-talking hot shots. Definitely not Pittsburgh.
Outside of hip-hop culture, I'm not sure I'm aware of anywhere it's not considered to be moderately dickish to brag about ones achievements.
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Old 01-22-2016, 07:22 AM
 
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Outside of hip-hop culture, I'm not sure I'm aware of anywhere it's not considered to be moderately dickish to brag about ones achievements.
Who said anything about "bragging about one's achievements"? Did those words appear anywhere in my post? I said that the Midwest has a more reserved sensibility about it compared to the Coastal Northeast, particularly if you're talking about New York and Philadelphia.
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Old 01-22-2016, 08:01 AM
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Who said anything about "bragging about one's achievements"? Did those words appear anywhere in my post? I said that the Midwest has a more reserved sensibility about it compared to the Coastal Northeast, particularly if you're talking about New York and Philadelphia.
He's providing you a definition of "not humility".

Just how much time have you spent in the real midwest, Bajan? Have you ever lived there? I lived and worked there for 7 years. I'm married to a midwesterner. I don't think these stereotypes are true.
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Old 01-22-2016, 08:20 AM
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Who said anything about "bragging about one's achievements"? Did those words appear anywhere in my post? I said that the Midwest has a more reserved sensibility about it compared to the Coastal Northeast, particularly if you're talking about New York and Philadelphia.
Reminds me of this contrast:

Back when senior Minnesota Senator Amy Klobuchar was just a candidate, she went on a bike tour of Brooklyn with Mr. Schumer. His antics made her daughter uncomfortable. “Chuck has a bullhorn, and he stops in front of his building and announces that he and Iris bought their apartment for a hundred and fifty thousand dollars and now it’s worth ten times that much,” she says. “And my twelve-year-old daughter pulled on my jacket and said, ‘Mom, if you said that in Minnesota, you’d be in so much trouble.'”

No, I don't think obnoxious bragging is "normal" in New York City despite the stereotype; but it is more tolerated. I had a friend that moved from New York City to Chicago and she noticed a cultural difference in caring more about civility and following rules [a friend of hers told people she met how she billed fun stuff to her company that she shouldn't; according to her the Midwesterners were all appalled rather than thinking she was clever].

Boston also has a reserved sensibility and shows of material wealth are relatively frowned upon, but there's more of a subculture of being obnoxious. Doubt this could be found in the Midwest [from the Mass Pike]

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Old 01-22-2016, 08:23 AM
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I dunno, we could argue this kind of stuff far into the night, but I don't find the midwestern Republicans anything like the Libertarians here. We have a crazy tax limitation clause in our constitution that does not allow the state to run a surplus, ever. All surplus taxes have to be returned to the people.
We had a referendum to lower the income tax rate. It passed, but for those unhappy with the change the state left an option to pay by the old rate on the tax form.

I wasn't comparing midwestern Republicans to Colorado; I was comparing them to Northeastern ones. At least from what I've read, they seem more ideological than most Northeast ones, Paul LePage excepted.
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Old 01-22-2016, 08:32 AM
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Reminds me of this contrast:

Back when senior Minnesota Senator Amy Klobuchar was just a candidate, she went on a bike tour of Brooklyn with Mr. Schumer. His antics made her daughter uncomfortable. “Chuck has a bullhorn, and he stops in front of his building and announces that he and Iris bought their apartment for a hundred and fifty thousand dollars and now it’s worth ten times that much,” she says. “And my twelve-year-old daughter pulled on my jacket and said, ‘Mom, if you said that in Minnesota, you’d be in so much trouble.'”

No, I don't think obnoxious bragging is "normal" in New York City despite the stereotype; but it is more tolerated. I had a friend that moved from New York City to Chicago and she noticed a cultural difference in caring more about civility and following rules [a friend of hers told people she met how she billed fun stuff to her company that she shouldn't; according to her the Midwesterners were all appalled rather than thinking she was clever].

Boston also has a reserved sensibility and shows of material wealth are relatively frowned upon, but there's more of a subculture of being obnoxious. Doubt this could be found in the Midwest [from the Mass Pike]



People visiting from London remarked on how polite and non-aggressive Chicago drivers were compared to home; they would have felt right at home in Boston.
May I never drive in London! No wonder people drive less there. Chicago drivers are well known for their aggressive driving, and Minneapolis drivers drive like bats out of H*ll!
#1 New York City | America's Most Agressive Drivers Revealed | XFINITY
Note MSP #5.

This one calls Chicago 8th worst city in US for drivers.
Chicago is the 8th-worst city for drivers: study - Chicago Tribune
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Old 01-22-2016, 08:35 AM
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We had a referendum to lower the income tax rate. It passed, but for those unhappy with the change the state left an option to pay by the old rate on the tax form.

I wasn't comparing midwestern Republicans to Colorado; I was comparing them to Northeastern ones. At least from what I've read, they seem more ideological than most Northeast ones, Paul LePage excepted.
That's funny, about the income tax.

As for the bold, fair enough. My father was a Republican elected official in the Pittsburgh area, he was very moderate compared with what one sees nationally. He'd probably have fit in well in the midwest as well, particularly in such places as Chicago, Minnneapolis, even Omaha. Forget Rick Santorum. He couldn't get re-elected to the senate and lost in his own county!
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Old 01-22-2016, 08:55 AM
 
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Who said anything about "bragging about one's achievements"? Did those words appear anywhere in my post? I said that the Midwest has a more reserved sensibility about it compared to the Coastal Northeast, particularly if you're talking about New York and Philadelphia.
I grew up in New England, which is pretty clearly part of the "East Coast" by any measure. Reserve is one of the primary personality traits of people. You just don't talk to strangers unless you're introduced, period. You don't feign niceness like a southerner of course - you don't make small talk or pretend you want anything to do with someone, and you don't act like you're having a nice day if you aren't. I'd also say that people in New England are pretty "humble" in a sense. Everyone is "middle class" - even if they are a doctor making $600,000 per year.
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