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View Poll Results: Are Pittsburgh, Erie, and Buffalo Northeastern or Midwestern?
Northeastern 42 50.60%
Midwestern 10 12.05%
Mixed 31 37.35%
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Old 01-22-2016, 01:55 PM
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Where are you guys getting these ethnicity stats? I'd like to look some up. Google not being much help.
State and County QuickFacts

Then click on state, then place or county. Then click on Browse Data Sets above the table. For white ancestry click on Social Characteristics. Demographic Characteristics has a breakdown of Asian and Hispanic ethnicities.
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Old 01-22-2016, 02:05 PM
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This is how Bajan Foxworthy would put it, Kat.

If you live entirely to the west of the Chesapeake Bay Watershed, you might could be a Midwesterner.

If you call a carbonated beverage "pop," you might could be a Midwesterner.

If your metro is located in the core of the Rust Belt, you might could be a Midwesterner.

If your metro suffered large population declines after 1970, you may just be a Midwesterner.

If Germans are the largest European ethnic group in your metro, you might could be a Midwesterner.

If your hometown is known for Eastern European inspired foods (i.e., pierogi), you might could be a Midwesterner.

If the African American population in your metro came mostly from Alabama and Mississippi, you might could be a Midwesterner.
Here's how a Pittsburgher would put it: Pittsburgh is not the midwest, under any set of circumstances. The midwest starts in Ohio. Some Pittsburghers might not be able to tell you where Pittsburgh falls in the regional label, but they/we know it's not midwest.
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Old 01-22-2016, 02:13 PM
 
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Here's how a Pittsburgher would put it: Pittsburgh is not the midwest, under any set of circumstances. The midwest starts in Ohio. Some Pittsburghers might not be able to tell you where Pittsburgh falls in the regional label, but they/we know it's not midwest.
I'm like Donald Trump on the Ted Cruz birther issue. "These are questions you might want to look into."
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Old 01-22-2016, 02:38 PM
 
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Italians make up a larger share of the non-Hispanic White population in Cleveland though. So it depends on how you look at it.
I guess, but when they make up 16-17% of the Buffalo and Pittsburgh metros, but only 10% of the Cleveland metro, I think the impact of Italians will be higher in the first two areas.

BTW- Italians make up about 13% of the NYC metro.
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Old 01-22-2016, 02:46 PM
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I guess, but when they make up 16-17% of the Buffalo and Pittsburgh metros, but only 10% of the Cleveland metro, I think the impact of Italians will be higher in the first two areas.

BTW- Italians make up about 13% of the NYC metro.
The NYC metro comes at or almost the most Italian metro if you looked % Italian as percent non-hispanic white population, less so as overall percent since the metro is more diverse than smaller metros further inland.
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Old 01-22-2016, 02:52 PM
 
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The NYC metro comes at or almost the most Italian metro if you looked % Italian as percent non-hispanic white population, less so as overall percent since the metro is more diverse than smaller metros further inland.
This is true, but Buffalo and Pittsburgh are more in line with Northeastern metros in this regard. Correction, both Buffalo and Pittsburgh are close to being 19% Italian within their metros according to 2010-2014 census info. The source I looked at showed that Pittsburgh is 13th and Buffalo is 16th out of all metro and micro areas(868 areas) in the US in that regard. Ironically, this same source shows that the New Castle PA micro area, just west of Pittsburgh, is first at 30.3% Italian. Erie is 33rd at 15.3%. Out of the top 100 areas on that list, the ones from the Midwest were in (Northeast)OH and 2 in MI's Upper Peninsula

What may make Buffalo unique in comparison is that it actually has a relatively notable Native American population in the area, due to about 2 or 3 Native American reservations in/near the area. You also have some urban Native Americans on the city's West Side. I believe the only major Midwestern city/area that comes to mind in this regard is the Twin Cities. Native American Heritage in Buffalo, NY | Visit Buffalo Niagara

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Old 01-22-2016, 02:54 PM
 
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The NYC metro comes at or almost the most Italian metro if you looked % Italian as percent non-hispanic white population, less so as overall percent since the metro is more diverse than smaller metros further inland.
The Italian population is also much more concentrated. So while there are metros that have a higher Italian % than NYC, there are none that have as many areas of "hyper" Italian-ess.
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Old 01-22-2016, 03:10 PM
 
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This is true, but Buffalo and Pittsburgh are more in line with Northeastern metros in this regard.
Their large German populations also draw them more in line with Midwestern metros.

Buffalo - 25.37%
Cleveland - 20.11%
Pittsburgh - 28.55%

German is actually the most reported European ancestry in Cleveland and Pittsburgh city propers. Irish is the most reported ancestry in Buffalo city proper.
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Old 01-22-2016, 03:15 PM
 
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Buffalo and Pittsburgh are sort of like DC and Baltimore. They have characteristics of two regions. But I guess at least DC and Baltimore can say they're better connected to the larger population centers of the Northeast. Buffalo and Pittsburgh are much closer to the Midwest.

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Old 01-22-2016, 03:19 PM
 
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The Italian population is also much more concentrated. So while there are metros that have a higher Italian % than NYC, there are none that have as many areas of "hyper" Italian-ess.
In the Buffalo area, the Italian population used to be concentrated on its West Side and while there are probably some old timers there, many move to the city's North Side around Hertel Avenue and nearby suburbs like Kenmore and Tonawanda(CDP), as well as a Little Italy in the Pine Avenue area of Niagara Falls. Galbani Buffalo Italian Heritage Festival

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Buffalo,_Buffalo
Buffalo’s ‘Little Italy’ makes room for different cultures - City & Region - The Buffalo News

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