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View Poll Results: Are Pittsburgh, Erie, and Buffalo Northeastern or Midwestern?
Northeastern 42 50.60%
Midwestern 10 12.05%
Mixed 31 37.35%
Voters: 83. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-22-2016, 04:31 PM
 
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What about the westernmost boundary of the South? Are DC and Baltimore in the same region as El Paso?

You could do this all day. I'm with the idea of ignoring "arbitrary lines" and resorting to economic/cultural/historical groupings instead. But we need to either be flexible in all cases or rigid in all cases. We can't have it where the Mason Dixon Line is an arbitrary boundary ("culture doesn't stop at state lines!") and simultaneously say that the Midwest/Northeast stops at the OH-PA border.
It doesn't, as the Cleveland area is evidence of that.
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Old 01-22-2016, 04:35 PM
 
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Speaking of Michigan, among Midwestern universities, the University of Michigan has historically attracted a lot of students from the Northeast region. Is that simply due to its prestige? The historic Yankee influence in Michigan? A more "Ivy League" looking campus? Policies more favorable to out of state students? Or is its location somehow more appealing and not dismissed as "flyover country" or "Middle America" in the same way say, Urbana-Champaign or Bloomington are.
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Old 01-22-2016, 04:35 PM
 
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Not really, but you do have some industrial aspects that some may view that way. For the most part though, it is definitely an Interior Northeastern metro.

Detroit and Michigan has some similarities to Upstate NY, but it still lacks that Italian aspect, even though parts of its metro like Fraser and other nearby Macomb and Oakland County communities have quite a few. Its Hispanic population is more Mexican than Puerto Rican. It has more of an Arab influence as well. It has one of the highest Black percentages for a metro outside of the South, if not the highest.

It is also more car dependent or at least its built environment is, for obvious reasons. It does have walkable areas within the metro though.
It could also be argued that Buffalo lacks the Jewish aspect the Coastal cities have (though Cleveland and Detroit have it).

I think you have a hard time pairing Buffalo with NYC or Boston over Cleveland or Detroit. Sure, Buffalo has some characteristics that are distinctly Northeastern, but it has way more in common with Midwestern cities including proximity. It happens to be in the same state as New York City while being more similar to Upper Midwestern cities.
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Old 01-22-2016, 04:36 PM
 
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It doesn't, as the Cleveland area is evidence of that.
Oh. I didn't realize people called soda "pop" in Philly.
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Old 01-22-2016, 04:40 PM
 
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Speaking of Michigan, among Midwestern universities, the University of Michigan has historically attracted a lot of students from the Northeast region. Is that simply due to its prestige? The historic Yankee influence in Michigan? A more "Ivy League" looking campus? Policies more favorable to out of state students? Or is its location somehow more appealing and not dismissed as "flyover country" or "Middle America" in the same way say, Urbana-Champaign or Bloomington are.
Prestige. Michigan splits its cross admits evenly with UCLA and wins against NYU. It loses out to Berkeley and UVA.

http://www.parchment.com/c/college/t...2C+Los+Angeles
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Old 01-22-2016, 04:45 PM
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I would say Polish cultural penetration on the East Coast is fairly weak. I first heard about Paczki Day from a friend in Detroit who looks like a younger version of Bernie Mac. He was like, "They don't have Paczki Day in Philly?" They might have a Paczki Day in Philly but it clearly hasn't had the level of overall cultural seepage the way pretzels, water ice, and hoagies have.
While there are a lot of Poles in Pittsburgh, we never celebrated Paczki Day there either. This is the first I ever heard of it.

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Speaking of Michigan, among Midwestern universities, the University of Michigan has historically attracted a lot of students from the Northeast region. Is that simply due to its prestige? The historic Yankee influence in Michigan? A more "Ivy League" looking campus? Policies more favorable to out of state students? Or is its location somehow more appealing and not dismissed as "flyover country" or "Middle America" in the same way say, Urbana-Champaign or Bloomington are.
Michigan and Ohio are the farthest eastern of the MW states, and UM has more prestige than OSU, IMO. Illinois used to state in their catalog that they were not seeking a national student body. Don't know if they still say that. Not to mention, Champaign-Urbana (and that is what the natives call it) is a h*ll-hole. Bloomington, IN is supposedly pretty, but kind of hard to access.

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It could also be argued that Buffalo lacks the Jewish aspect the Coastal cities have (though Cleveland and Detroit have it).

I think you have a hard time pairing Buffalo with NYC or Boston over Cleveland or Detroit. Sure, Buffalo has some characteristics that are distinctly Northeastern, but it has way more in common with Midwestern cities including proximity. It happens to be in the same state as New York City while being more similar to Upper Midwestern cities.
Pittsburgh has a large Jewish presence.
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Old 01-22-2016, 04:45 PM
 
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Actually, if I'm not mistaken, parts of Ontario nearby also say "Pop" instead of "Soda" as well.
Great. Maybe President Trump will annex them so they can be part of the Midwest too.
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Old 01-22-2016, 04:47 PM
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Actually, if I'm not mistaken, parts of Ontario nearby also say "Pop" instead of "Soda" as well.
all of Canada says "pop", many Canadians are unfamiliar with the word "soda"
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Old 01-22-2016, 04:47 PM
 
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.Pittsburgh has a large Jewish presence.
Cleveland's Jewish population is more than twice as large. So do we push the border east or west?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish...opolitan_areas
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Old 01-22-2016, 04:48 PM
 
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all of Canada says "pop", many Canadians are unfamiliar with the word "soda"
Most of Canada also speaks English. So I guess it looks like we've got some stuff in common.

In all seriousness though, if we ignore state lines, how would we group these cities? Would Buffalo and Pittsburgh be grouped with DC and Philly or Cleveland and Detroit?
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